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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut, replying to another View Post
    Much of our defense spending is pay related and pensions. Would you call for a draft to be installed or pay cuts for those in the military.
    Clearly, a draft is not needed. Fewer wars would be nice. Military pay obviously needs to be frozen, at a minimum. Impact upon the economy aside, about half of them need to be laid off, bases mothballed, etc.

    Military personnel costs have nearly doubled since fiscal year 2001 and now consume one-third of the Pentagon’s base budget [...] by repeatedly passing pay raises above and beyond the Pentagon’s request, Congress has driven military pay out of line with the Pentagon’s own standards. Basic pay accounts for about half of military cash compensation—service members also receive tax-free allowances for housing and subsistence, a variety of other tax breaks, and an array of special and incentive pay. By 2006 the average service member earned $5,400 more in cash compensation than a comparably qualified civilian counterpart, and the average officer earned $6,000 more than a civilian with similar education and experience. This disparity has continued to grow in the past six years. What’s more, these numbers do not include the value of the generous health care benefits received by military personnel.

    Whether the result of a lack of congressional understanding of the full range of military compensation or political expediency, repeatedly raising basic pay above the Employment Cost Index is fiscally unsustainable. It ignores the advice of military leadership and the recommendations of the Pentagon’s own commissions such as the Quadrennial Review of Military Compensation.

    Reforming Military Compensation

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The graph was constructed based on your posted views.
    straw man and a concession by you of not being able to understand why your rants were so pathetic

    you want the rich to pay more and when they do and then tax cuts come you are mad that those who pay the taxes get the cuts

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    straw man and a concession by you of not being able to understand why your rants were so pathetic

    you want the rich to pay more and when they do and then tax cuts come you are mad that those who pay the taxes get the cuts

    The rich pay the lowest tax rate in the last 80 years, and still you whine that the rates are socialistic. I stand by the graph, it is an accurate representation of your ideology.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The rich pay the lowest tax rate in the last 80 years, and still you whine that the rates are socialistic.
    Psst. Progressive tax rates are socialistic.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Psst. Progressive tax rates are socialistic.
    You can share turtledude's graph above.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    I want taxes to be more based on what a person uses. that is a common paradigm in history but it runs counter to the interests of people like those who see the purposes of the tax code as to give congress more power
    You want one thing and only one thing regarding taxes - you paying less. Your own posts over the years demonstrate this loud and clear. You come up with 'principles' of what constitutes the best system of taxation only to turn 180 degrees on your heels and embrace the opposite system concluding that it affords you a bigger cut.

    History, ethics, economics, political science, government has not a damn thing to do with your stance. Its about one thing and only one thing with you and that is your own money.

    Would you like me to put the posts here that prove it to all in your own words?
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The rich pay the lowest tax rate in the last 80 years, and still you whine that the rates are socialistic. I stand by the graph, it is an accurate representation of your ideology.
    everyone else is paying an even lower rate to the point that the bottom 60% are paying NEGATIVE income tax rates

    the rich now pay more of the federal income tax burden share than at anytime in the last 60 years

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You want one thing and only one thing regarding taxes - you paying less. Your own posts over the years demonstrate this loud and clear. You come up with 'principles' of what constitutes the best system of taxation only to turn 180 degrees on your heels and embrace the opposite system concluding that it affords you a bigger cut.

    History, ethics, economics, political science, government has not a damn thing to do with your stance. Its about one thing and only one thing with you and that is your own money.

    Would you like me to put the posts here that prove it to all in your own words?
    I want everyone who pays too much paying less. I want less government and less power for your dem masters to be able to buy the votes of those who think others have a duty to fund their existence

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You want one thing and only one thing regarding taxes - you paying less. Your own posts over the years demonstrate this loud and clear. You come up with 'principles' of what constitutes the best system of taxation only to turn 180 degrees on your heels and embrace the opposite system concluding that it affords you a bigger cut.

    History, ethics, economics, political science, government has not a damn thing to do with your stance. Its about one thing and only one thing with you and that is your own money.

    Would you like me to put the posts here that prove it to all in your own words?
    And how is your position so radically different?

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    And how is your position so radically different?
    leftwingers pretend that their own selfish reasons are really being purveyed "for the common good" or for the Country of other BS

    it may be SELFISH to say I SHOULD ONLY HAVE TO PAY FOR WHAT I USE but its far more selfish to say I WANT YOU TO PAY MORE SO YOU PAY MORE OF WHAT I USE which is what the left is really saying

    they also say -YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE SO I CAN TAKE CREDIT WHEN I GIVE YOUR MONEY TO OTHERS

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