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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are confusing the retail shopping experience with the relationship of a citizen to his or her government.
    you are confusing an opinion with what you want to read

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You have to infer that it means whatever it is you want it to mean.

    It could be argued that welfare benefits are really a function of insuring domestic tranquility. Or that "common defense" also includes defense against illness and death, or that secure the Blessings of Liberty means steep tax rates on the wealthy. We can argue it means whatever the hell we feel like. If you want the federal government to have unlimited powers, you (i.e. SCOTUS) can craft an explanation that it is, in fact, Constitutional. I guess the Constitution is no longer a valid way to argue this.
    the Parasite support team believes that the entire purpose of government is to take money from those who earned it to give it to those who don't so there will be peace and tranquility and the failures feel better about themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why does one have to want the federal government to have unlimited powers to make any of those conclusions or any others?

    Do you really know anyone here who takes the position that they want the federal government to have unlimited powers? Because I have never come up with one.
    I'm not sure I've seen anyone say it like that, but I can think of folks who have never (so far as I've read) suggested it be limited, and who consistently argue with others who do advocate limits... Who dismiss the tenth amendment as meaningless tautology and think the federal government is limited only by what it decides to define as its own limit. So in other words, from what folks say, yes.

    We have presidents that declare war, a banking cartel that coins money, a Supreme Court that establishes policy, a Congress that spends as much money as it wants, and an apathetic or apologist majority that always votes for who they perceive as the slightly lesser of the same evil. If people by and large think they don't want unlimited federal government, then they are living in a state of total cognitive dissonance.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confusing an opinion with what you want to read
    An opinion based on a falsehood is still deluding oneself into intentional intellectual fraud. And that is what you do when you present us with this nonsense about any relationship between taxes paid and government services benefitted from.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the Parasite support team believes that the entire purpose of government is to take money from those who earned it to give it to those who don't so there will be peace and tranquility and the failures feel better about themselves
    Can you cite one member of "the parasite support team" who actually says this?



    Oh wait!!!!! I know!!!!!! This is part of your mind reading schtick. You know what they really think even though they never ever said it. Got it.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    An opinion based on a falsehood is still deluding oneself into intentional intellectual fraud. And that is what you do when you present us with this nonsense about any relationship between taxes paid and government services benefitted from.
    there should be-its called an opinion-look it up

    the from each according to their ability to each group according to the amount of votes they can bestow on a politician is the current scheme

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I'm not sure I've seen anyone say it like that, but I can think of folks who have never (so far as I've read) suggested it be limited, and who consistently argue with others who do advocate limits... Who dismiss the tenth amendment as meaningless tautology and think the federal government is limited only by what it decides to define as its own limit. So in other words, from what folks say, yes.
    I strongly suspect they do not dismiss the idea of limiting the powers of government but only with the terms that you advocate. It is NOT a dispute about absolute power. It is only a disagreement about what the margins are.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there should be-its called an opinion-look it up
    Your opinion is your opinion is your opinion.
    And based on a falsehood is still based on a falsehood and ends up a falsehood.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your opinion is your opinion is your opinion.
    And based on a falsehood is still based on a falsehood and ends up a falsehood.
    MOre idiocy-you again think that a call for a change is confusion with the status quo

    try again

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    MOre idiocy-you again think that a call for a change is confusion with the status quo

    try again
    What change are you calling for based on your self imposed belief system built on a house of cards and lies?
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