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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Go to the IRS. They have published actual data on returns and the different level of income. The bottom pays way less %age wise than the top.

    Yeah they don't want to ever really know the facts

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yeah they don't want to ever really know the facts
    The shares of aggregate income declined for the lowest and second quintiles (from 3.4 percent to 3.3 percent, and from 8.6 percent to 8.5 percent, respectively), while the share increased for the fourth quintile (from 23.2 percent to 23.4 percent). The changes for the third and fifth quintiles were not statistically significant. In 2010, the share of aggregate income was 14.6 percent for the third quintile and 50.2 percent for the fifth quintile (Tables 3 and A-3). Households in the lowest quintile had incomes of $20,000 or less. Those in the second quintile had incomes of $20,001 to $38,043; those in the third quintile had incomes of $38,044 to $61,735; and those in the fourth quintile had incomes of $61,736 to $100,065. Households in the highest quintile had incomes of $100,066 or more.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    too much government dependence-not enough individual initiative

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    too much government dependence-not enough individual initiative
    Because if 10,000,000 Americans brought in each other's laundry we would solve our employment problem???

    Or maybe you think if every American had a HS diploma and at least a few hour of college then businesses would pay janitors and burger-flippers more money because they're better educated?!?

    Sorry, it just isn't that simple - and you've been around long enough you should know it.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Don't lie - it's not "cut or control spending" it's "cut or control spending on welfare". You and I both know the Cons won't accept cuts in military spending, which is the other half of the budget.
    I understand you want a society where government creates 'stay busy' work and pays far too much for people to do it. Sorry, that's not the job of government. However national defense is one of the jobs of government.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I understand you want a society where government creates 'stay busy' work and pays far too much for people to do it. Sorry, that's not the job of government. However national defense is one of the jobs of government.

    Defense, not world hegemony to make the 1% richer. That's the distinction between spending more than the next biggest military spender and spending as much as the rest of the world combined on military.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There are not enough skilled jobs for your plan to work. If it were you wouldn't see skilled college educated people working at fast food restaurants. That helps explain why none of the candidates are espousing your views.
    Yes there would be if we ended laws that protect current markets and allow inovation to prosper. And I have to question if you see "skilled college educated people working at fast food restaurants", if they had needed skills intead of useless degrees, they would have jobs. The country does not need nor can it absorb millions of business adminitstration degrees, or psychology degrees. And as for Liberal arts, does it have anything useful about it? How about Art Appreciation degrees, how many museum curator jobs do you think is out there? How many jobs are out there for Ploli-sci degrees? There are currently millions of jobs available and unfilled in America today, even in our depressed economy, because no one has the skills or training for them. If they wasted time and money getting a useless, unmarketable degree, then I hope they are very articulate when asking if I want fries with that.

    Also, while I only presented this one idea here, it also has to be in conjuction with many other changes.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It was not their decision to have their job offshored, or to not be paid a living wage for their full time work. If you wish to continue to supplement employer's wages through welfare, go right ahead and I will support the candidate that offers people the choice to work for a living.
    In your opinion, but I am willing to bet a large number of them supported things like enviromentalism and unionisation which caused the outsoursing. I am also willing to bet some of them were the same people who didn't buy American when there were American products available, mostly because although they demanded a high wage for their labor, they only wanted the pay the cheapest price for what they bought.



    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What you see as shielding from negative consequences, I see as humane assistance to those that are not allowed to work for a living.
    Humane to whom? The person that does nothing yet reaps the benefits of others labor or the laborer that has a significant portion of his labor taken from him to be given to people who refuse to do anything themselves? You apparently veiw most of the people on welfare and other assistance as victims of others actions, I view them as people too lazy or stupid to figure out how to make a living for themselves. As an example of this, there are currently an estimated $12 million illegals in the US, they have jobs, why are they working and able to support themselves and provide for families elsewhere while Americans lay about on Welfare and do nothing? If the welfare people weren't basically lazy and useless, they would be out there doing the jobs currently held by those illegals.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Be realistic, who hires people because they don't have work that needs to be done? If you have a job that requires full time work, you should be willing to pay a living wage rather then making the rest of us subsidize your inadequate pay.
    The Government for one. What is a "living wage" and how can you mandate it? What would be needed to live in someplace like Chicago or LA is not the same as needed in small town Oklahoma. If a company has a job, they want to pay the minimum necessary to get someone to fill it. If person A won't work for X but person B will, then the proper rate of pay for that job is what person B is willing to work for. Forcing an employer to pay more than that will only lead to less people hired and the job being outsourced if it can be.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am saying I should not pay a higher percentage of what I earn than someone who pays far far less actual tax dollars but uses more government services
    You are confusing the retail shopping experience with the relationship of a citizen to his or her government.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The phrase goes "promote the General Welfare of the United States." It takes semantic flexibility if not acrobatics to interpret this to mean "provide for the general welfare of the citizens."
    Really now? Are not the citizens a major part of what is the United States?

    Why does this require anything but basic reading comprehension?
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