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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Please explain why that's anything other than a semantic difference. What's consequential in your distinction?
    You should know whose orders you are following when you loyally employ this fraud of a DEATH TAX

    The term "death tax"
    The term "death tax" is a neologism used by policy makers and critics to describe the estate tax in a way that conveys additional meaning. The terms "death duties" and "inheritance taxes" are also sometimes used.

    Political use of "death tax" as a synonym for "estate tax" was encouraged by Jack Faris of the National Federation of Independent Business[47] during the Speakership of Newt Gingrich. Well-known Republican pollster Frank Luntz wrote that the term "death tax" "kindled voter resentment in a way that 'inheritance tax' and 'estate tax' do not".[48] Linguist George Lakoff states that the term "death tax" is a deliberate and carefully calculated neologism used as a propaganda tactic to aid in efforts to repeal estate taxes. The use of "death tax" rather than "estate tax" in the wording of questions in the 2002 National Election Survey increased support for estate tax repeal by only a few percentage points.[49]
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    that is from the wikipedia entry on estate taxes in the USA.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you say so.
    There's no such thing as 'entrapment'... for if you are honest you don't 'fall' for it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    What? No one was asking for spending increases. It was a matter of tax increases and spending cuts. Are you drunk or something?
    No one was asking for spending increases? What did we raise the debt ceiling for then? Oh rig, congress doesn't actually raise taxes and the debt ceiling to spend more. Oh no, never that.

    Right, and I am drunk.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You should know whose orders you are following when you loyally employ this fraud of a DEATH TAX

    that is from the wikipedia entry on estate taxes in the USA.
    Are you guys talking about that tax on people's property that the government levies upon the death of a citizen?
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    No one was asking for spending increases? What did we raise the debt ceiling for then? Oh rig, congress doesn't actually raise taxes and the debt ceiling to spend more. Oh no, never that.

    Right, and I am drunk.
    Well there's the problem! Apparently you don't know the difference between spending and debt. I hope the Repos in DC are better educated. Sadly I think some of them are just as clueless.

    If you spend $10k more than you made last year you can spend $5k more than you made this year and you'd still reduce spending even though it's deficit spending.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Are you guys talking about that tax on people's property that the government levies upon the death of a citizen?
    I am talking about the tax on money or wealth that a person gets from another.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am talking about the tax on money or wealth that a person gets from another.
    I thought that was sales tax.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    which is paid for by artificially inflating ER costs for folks who do have insurance, like you and I.
    I don't have insurance but it hasn't mattered.
    However, we have paid huge medical bills - in cash. Total medical of my lady ran over 1/2 million $$, but all that was donated either by the medical professionals themselves and individuals.

    I've written about this before. Cash is discounted minimially 50% and often even more - meaning it can cost less than if there was insurance with deductable - and is less if the cost of what insurance would have been. It also is true that in with many specialists and independents, cash "talks" because there is no paperwork, delays, government or insurance challenging or any of that.

    We also have far more flexibility in medical decisions when it is not tied to what insurance companies will and won't pay for. Nor does the doctor have to worry about it. It has happened when the doctor is starting to discuss options - then stop and ask if we have insurance because what he is recommending is costly. To our answer of "no, no insurance," the doctors (who don't know us) tend to shift to reduced poor-people alternatives - to our adding "we want what is absolute the best choices to pick from and can afford to pay for it in cash, now." Suddenly, the opinion of the doctor becomes the broadest of all - including the most alternative choices. But I do recognize most people can't do that.

    ObamaCare will not eliminate indigent care nor is it universal coverage. It's primary effect will be shifting the tax burden of indigent care from business and residential property taxes to the working middle class.

    That is the myth of ObamaCare. It is not indigent care. The poor still will not have insurance like they don't now, increasing numbers of companies are being exempted, increasing numbers of companies say that under the new law they will drop employee insurance and just pay the tax, and many individuals will opt to do the same, including us.

    Imposing fines won't make any difference to working people living hand to mouth - like most do. Rather, it is just another way the government will condemn them and try to take more money from them.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    No one was asking for spending increases? What did we raise the debt ceiling for then? Oh rig, congress doesn't actually raise taxes and the debt ceiling to spend more. Oh no, never that.

    Right, and I am drunk.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Well there's the problem! Apparently you don't know the difference between spending and debt. I hope the Repos in DC are better educated. Sadly I think some of them are just as clueless.

    If you spend $10k more than you made last year you can spend $5k more than you made this year and you'd still reduce spending even though it's deficit spending.
    Yawn. Yes apparently I don't know the difference. There is no rational way you could have come to that conclusion based on what I wrote, but yes. Obviously.

    Just as you obviously don't know how you get into debt. It is obviously not through spending right?
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