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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    In normal times it would be a no brainer...today however, with the Grover Norquist and the Paul Ryans and the teaparty in general, anything more than tax cuts for just the rich are filthy treasonous unconstitutional words. The name of the far right game is take pensions and health benefits from private and public workers, lower their pay...cut social security and medicare, repeal obamacare and give huge tax breaks to the rich individuals and corporations that do not pay anywhere near what they are supposed to anyway an in alot of cases pay NOTHING...all while they outsource every middleclass job they can...and
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    do you seriously believe all of that? If you do, you would have to explain to me how that would even remotely be a viable political or economic strategy. I think you have bought into an absurd carricature of your political opposition that has no real relationship to reality.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I would think middle class tax cuts would be something both sides could agree with.
    all or nothing is the proper strategy

    if the dems want to keep the current tax rates intact its for everyone

    the one group that already pays far too much taxes is targeted for massive tax hikes by the dems

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It's hard to take you seriously when you employ so much hyperbole...


    Just sayin...
    some who are living on tax dollars of others hate the tea party-

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    In normal times it would be a no brainer...today however, with the Grover Norquist and the Paul Ryans and the teaparty in general, anything more than tax cuts for just the rich are filthy treasonous unconstitutional words. The name of the far right game is take pensions and health benefits from private and public workers, lower their pay...cut social security and medicare, repeal obamacare and give huge tax breaks to the rich individuals and corporations that do not pay anywhere near what they are supposed to anyway an in alot of cases pay NOTHING...all while they outsource every middleclass job they can...and
    Thats the reason Romny isnt 10 full points ahead of obama with the economy in the toilet like it is....Recent Rasmussen poll shows the teaparty is viewed unfavorably by most of the country...Gallup Poll shows the teaparty even LESS popular. The new far right teaparty house of representatives are at the lowest approval rating of any congress session ever....they have not only accomplished NOTHING....they have caused more harm
    calm down, your pension is not going to go away-AND WHAT huge tax breaks to the rich are your ranting about? with the current tax rates, the rich pay MORE of the FEDERAL INCOME tax burden than at anytime in the last 60 years

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    all or nothing is the proper strategy

    if the dems want to keep the current tax rates intact its for everyone

    the one group that already pays far too much taxes is targeted for massive tax hikes by the dems
    The rich fully realize that - outside of themselves and their paid sycophants and toadies - there is precious little support for tax cuts for the wealthy. So they want to use the idea of tax cuts for the middle class as blackmail to keep their own taxes low as well. They are more than willing to put a gun to the head of the working class and use it to get what they want for themselves.

    Turtle is a very good barometer of this. If he had his way we would let the middle class tax cuts expire while cutting taxes on the wealthy even more.

    On the other hand, I feel that all these tax rates should be allowed to expire and raise taxes across the board.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I don't believe in half measures and I don't believe in pitting one group of people against another. It appears, with this news, that Obama doesn't agree with me. So be it...and I'm not surprised.

    My recommendation to both Parties: Either end the tax cuts for everyone or extend it for everyone. Have the courage and integrity to take a position one way or the other and accept the consequences (good or bad) for your position.

    For some reason, I don't think either Party will consider my recommendation.

    I'm with you on this one.

    Good post.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The rich fully realize that - outside of themselves and their paid sycophants and toadies - there is precious little support for tax cuts for the wealthy. So they want to use the idea of tax cuts for the middle class as blackmail to keep their own taxes low as well. They are more than willing to put a gun to the head of the working class and use it to get what they want for themselves.

    Turtle is a very good barometer of this. If he had his way we would let the middle class tax cuts expire while cutting taxes on the wealthy even more.

    On the other hand, I feel that all these tax rates should be allowed to expire and raise taxes across the board.
    the indolent middle class and the rich elitists who depend on the votes of that class to gain more power and wealth, will try to convince the masses that supporting tax hikes on the few will mean more handouts to them

    the act is the turd in chief has claimed that those tax rates were only for the rich. Now he says that they are mainly for the middle class

    IF I had my way we wouldn't need more than say about 5% flat tax rate.

    you think that the rich should pay more and more and more

    you believe that the government spending level is proper and the government needs more money

    I do not

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    all or nothing is the proper strategy

    if the dems want to keep the current tax rates intact its for everyone

    the one group that already pays far too much taxes is targeted for massive tax hikes by the dems
    you make more you pay more, not sure why this is so hard for you to understand...and as has been shown, your tax rate is the lowest it has been in over a half century.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    you think that the rich should pay more and more and more

    you believe that the government spending level is proper and the government needs more money

    I do not
    Lord knows that I have corrected you so many times on what my position is that it causes one to wonder why you continue to lie about it?

    I am in favor of
    1- increasing taxes across the board for ALL Americans earning dollar one at a full five points
    2- decreasing current federal government spending by at least $300 billion right now
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lord knows that I have corrected you so many times on what my position is that it causes one to wonder why you continue to lie about it?

    I am in favor of
    1- increasing taxes across the board for ALL Americans earning dollar one at a full five points
    2- decreasing current federal government spending by at least $300 billion right now
    easier to lie about it than debate you on it...

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