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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ok, how about we don't extend the tax-cuts for the rich...but ONLY use that money to reduce the deficit, and in exchange cut SS and Medicare and other programs by the same amount each year.

    sound good?
    I would bet good money that most conservatives would take that deal.

    Problem is, we learned what is considered a bargain. What was that last great compromise? $1T now for $1T over ten years?
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I would think middle class tax cuts would be something both sides could agree with.
    Thanks we saw Obama's speech, we don't need an rerun.

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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    sigh...

    This thread is about the "Bush Tax Cuts"...current tax policy. Not about proposals from anyone about future tax policy. The fact that you bring such stuff up is indicative of a lack of reasonable debate on this thread's topic.

    YOUR words 'dude'
    Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    More spin, dude.
    The Republicans want to keep taxes at current levels for everyone.

    Be honest, dude. Nobody is calling for any kind of tax cuts...no matter how you spin it.
    So when I point out that YOUR candidate is calling for tax cuts, that the young google-eyed supposed economic master Paul Ryan has called for tax cuts, your answer is denial of your own words. No wonder there is such little constructive dialogue when one side really really refuses to admit error or even to accept reality.

    Austerity is not working in those countries which are trying it - best examples being England and Ireland, where drastic cuts in government spending have led to worsened economies. Tax cuts haven't worked - see present situation. The sainted Ronnie Reagan tried tax cuts and quickly realised they were a disaster and proceeded to raise taxes at least 11 times during his time in office. Of course at the same time he exploded the military budget and as a consequence tripled the national debt during his time in the White House.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Get real. Obamacare is not a "huge tax hike" You need to get your news from sources other than Fox.
    Do you know all the tax increases and changes to the tax code that will effect most people? Or are you just getting your news from msnbc?
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Nonesense...they have not gone along with it.....remember grover numbnuts Norquist FORCING everyone to sign the pledge....The republican platform and agenda is THIS....Cut everything from the middleclass and Poor...to pay down the deficit....give TAX CUTS to the rich and corporations and reduce all regulations to make it even easier for them to pull DIRTY DEALS and steal...like Jp Morgan and Barclay...and the recent drug companies...who stole and did dirty deals anyway.
    It's hard to take you seriously when you employ so much hyperbole...


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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    YOUR words 'dude'


    So when I point out that YOUR candidate is calling for tax cuts, that the young google-eyed supposed economic master Paul Ryan has called for tax cuts, your answer is denial of your own words. No wonder there is such little constructive dialogue when one side really really refuses to admit error or even to accept reality.

    Austerity is not working in those countries which are trying it - best examples being England and Ireland, where drastic cuts in government spending have led to worsened economies. Tax cuts haven't worked - see present situation. The sainted Ronnie Reagan tried tax cuts and quickly realised they were a disaster and proceeded to raise taxes at least 11 times during his time in office. Of course at the same time he exploded the military budget and as a consequence tripled the national debt during his time in the White House.
    My words are to be taken in the context of the topic...not spun or deflected to include every tom, dick and harry issue you, or anyone else, wants to try to connect them to.

    Show me any Congressman who wants to reduce taxes in connection with the Bush tax cuts...and we'll talk.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    My words are to be taken in the context of the topic...not spun or deflected to include every tom, dick and harry issue you, or anyone else, wants to try to connect them to.

    Show me any Congressman who wants to reduce taxes in connection with the Bush tax cuts...and we'll talk.

    A fine example of goal posts mounted on trailers, towed by the vehicle of your choice.

    Is Paul Ryan a Congressman? Is Ron Paul a Congressman?

    Is the following article a lie? House GOP introduces first flat tax bill of the Congress

    Somehow I doubt seriously that Mycroft will "talk" on this issue - 'cause so far he's been nothing but wrong while continuing to revel in his wrongness
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    A fine example of goal posts mounted on trailers, towed by the vehicle of your choice.

    Is Paul Ryan a Congressman? Is Ron Paul a Congressman?

    Is the following article a lie? House GOP introduces first flat tax bill of the Congress

    Somehow I doubt seriously that Mycroft will "talk" on this issue - 'cause so far he's been nothing but wrong while continuing to revel in his wrongness
    sigh...

    I have moved no goalposts.

    What, exactly, does this Ryan bill have to do with the Bush tax cuts?

    Now, dude, if you want to talk about this Ryan bill, then start a thread about it. But don't expect me to entertain your attempts to deflect from the topic of THIS thread...especially when you try to use my words in your deflection.
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Please explain this $4000.00 benefit. I'm not disputing your words but I'm asking for definitive clarification. How does the "middle class" get this $4000.00 and where does this money come from?

    Thank you.
    Sorry, I realize this was way back on page 2 but I lost track of this thread. $4,000 is the average benefit that a family who qualifies for premium assistance would receive in subsidies. It will be paid for by the taxes, penalties, and fees in the Act.

    Much more detail available here: Middle-class tax hikes or tax breaks: which is greater under ‘ObamaCare’? - The Washington Post
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    Re: Obama to call for middle class tax cut extension

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sorry, I realize this was way back on page 2 but I lost track of this thread. $4,000 is the average benefit that a family who qualifies for premium assistance would receive in subsidies. It will be paid for by the taxes, penalties, and fees in the Act.

    Much more detail available here: Middle-class tax hikes or tax breaks: which is greater under ‘ObamaCare’? - The Washington Post
    You have to like that, the middle class will have to pay taxes, penalties and fees to fund the Act.
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