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Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

Zyphlin said:
Yeah, please don't paint your ignorance on this issue across all of conservatives. It's insulting.
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Ouch! That had to leave a mark...
 
megaprogman said:
How is comparing different racist organizations patentedly untrue and idiotic?
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I think this falls into the definition thing. Do the black panthers and la raza suggest that their group is superior to other groups? If not, it probably isn't racist. Does not make them good groups, but does mean they are not racist.
 
the CBC doesn't believe in the superiority of the black race or advocate for discrimination against white people.

calling them just as racist as the KKK, is dishonest and absurd.
 
Racism is only possible by a dominant group. Minorities are not capable of implementing a system of privilege that permeates society. Minorities are capable of racial prejudice, but the 'ism' part... not really (keeping in mind the negative connotation that the term definitively carries). That's the sociological definition and I'm stickin' to it. The claim of minorities being capable of racism is operating at a lower level of cognition as far as I'm concerned.



soccerboy22 said:
No, but I support everyone who disagrees holds a three day event right next to them.
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That's provoking violence and rather immature. They get confronted plenty; they know they're alone. Let's just be happy that the roaches are in the light instead of creeping about in the dark.
 
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ecofarm said:
Racism is only possible by a dominant group. Minorities are not capable of implementing a system of privilege that permeates society. Minorities are capable of racial prejudice, but the 'ism' part... not really (keeping in mind the negative connotation that the term definitively carries). That's the sociological definition and I'm stickin' to it. The claim of minorities being capable of racism is operating at a lower level of cognition as far as I'm concerned....
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wrong....

anyone can be a racist, regardless of the amount of power they have.

I'm sick of this bull**** red-herring about institutional power and whatnot. A black man with a gun has power, and he can be a racist. A Hispanic who owns a factory has power, and he can be a racist.
 
Zyphlin said:
Ignorance in regards to your stereotyping and giant assumptions. Such as the one above for instance.
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I said, "Are you so sheltered that you have never been exposed to black racism. Have you never heard the word cracker?"

So point out the stereotyping and giant assumption in my statement.

One can recognize that yes...black people CAN be racist, just as whites or asians or anyone. Racism is a HUMAN issue, not an issue inherent only within an individual race.
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Boy, I bet that was hard for you to say. You agree with me.

However, one can both recognize and understand that there is black racism and still see the ignorance in your arguments.
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You certainly have to stretch, don't you?

Because you are so blindly hyper partisan however you seem to deliniate everything into a situation where they either agree with you, and thus are conservative, or disagree with you to any extent, in which case they are liberals and automatically can be saddled with every stereotype you wish to place upon them. My issue with your ignorance on the issue was this statement:

"That is just the nature of the differences between liberals who are blind to black racism and conservatives who see the world as it actually is"
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And that is the crux of it isn't it? Examine the liberals that you know. How many admit, as you have done while agreeing with me, that blacks can be racists? How many? None? One? Two? A handful? The best you will get is the watered down statement that all racism is bad. Well, maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. But how many liberals will even admit that blacks can be, and many are, racists?

Multiple examples of this idiotic comment being patentedly untrue can be found all throuhout this very thread. You have a liberal like Mega whose comparing the Black Panthers and La Raza to the KKK, not being "blind" of black racism.
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Great. That's one. And maybe that comparison of obviously racist groups to obviously racist groups make the easy case. Would Mega agree that the Congressional Black Caucus exists for racial purposes? Why do we allow such a thing in our governing bodies? Would he or she accept a Congressional White Caucus? If not, why not?

At the same time, you have conservatives like Web and Emporia suggesting that a group who believes a particular race is the "Chosen People" and gives homage to a group that wantonly killed people simply due to their race is comparable and on equal ground with something like the congressional black caucus. That is not "seeing the world as it actually is". That's ridiculous blind partisanship and ignorance in the face of reality.
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I don't see what you see. I see them pointing out the hypocrisy.

You've spent more time bashing, attacking, and slamming "liberals" in this thread for all their apparent racism and allowance for things while saying not word one to the actual story in the subject which has a group proudly proclaiming a "chosen race".
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Do you object to any people believing they are the "Chosen?" Do not all religions essentially use their myths to explain why they are the chosen people?

I'll say to you, as I said to Emporia, perhaps if the Congressional Black Causus was going around suggesting black people are the "Chosen Race" you'd have an equiviolent argument here.
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Well, excuse me! Get of your high horse. Your's is a false comparison. Let's compare equivalents shall we? Show me the Congressional White Caucus. Then let's talk.

Please...show me where the leader of the causus is making such claims and I'll gladly condemn that as well. However, what I'm not going to do is sit here in a thread where someone is pointing to a clearly, unquestionably, and grossly racist gathering and completely IGNORE that entirely while trying to go "Mean old liberals and their black groups" because I'm too hyper partisan to actually address the TOPIC of the thread.
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You, and yours, are unwilling or unable to see the hypocrisy. No problem.

The TOPIC is that Emporia is attempting to suggest that the actions, thoughts, and gathering in the OP is perfectly okay and is only called racist because "Whites" are doing it and blacks wouldn't have it called on them without presenting a single example of some kind of equivilent group taking action and people saying it isn't racism.
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I see the larger issue is the lack of equivalence. If one group is perfectly acceptable then why not its racial opposite? Black Caucus-White Caucus, Black Engineer of the Year-White Engineer of the Year...

No one wishes to engage in your idiotic blindly partisan stereotype bashing of "liberals" and "black racism" with you because for someone who thinks they "see the world as it actually is", your so unquestionably biased and agenda driven that you've railed about your percieved wrongs by "liberals" all thread without actually DARING to suggest that you know what...despite your ignorant thoughts on that matter it still doesn't change the fact that a group believing a particular race is the "Chosen People" and whose celebrating a group that killed individuals simply based on race is racist, REGARDLESS if that race is white, black, or anything else.
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Wow! That is a long sentence.
 
Misterveritis said:
Has anyone defended the Ku Klux Klan?
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The KKK appears to be an ignored elephant only to conservatives in this room, while they ruminate over the niceties of freedom to associate. Why is that?
 
Great. That's one. And maybe that comparison of obviously racist groups to obviously racist groups make the easy case. Would Mega agree that the Congressional Black Caucus exists for racial purposes? Why do we allow such a thing in our governing bodies? Would he or she accept a Congressional White Caucus? If not, why not?
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I already answered most of your question Mr V.

For the part I did not answer, I think a congressional white caucus would be fine with me if it passed the same litmus test I defined.

megaprogman said:
There is a huge and not subtle difference between mutual self help organizations, such as NAACP, CARW, etc that are primarily about advancement and help. (Notice that organizations like NAACP do not bar other races from joining), and organizations like black panthers, La Raza, KKK, etc that are about supremacy of a particular race.

A good litmus test is "will this group only allow members of their own race or are they open to all races?" For example, if I wanted to, I could go to morhouse next semester, yet many here would call it racist. If it were, I would be barred from membership.
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Thunder said:
wrong....

anyone can be a racist, regardless of the amount of power they have.

I'm sick of this bull**** red-herring about institutional power and whatnot. A black man with a gun has power, and he can be a racist. A Hispanic who owns a factory has power, and he can be a racist.
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His point is about systematic racism. Go back and read his post. Notice the use of the word "group". It is important. I am not sure I agree with his distinction between racism and racial prejudice but he is being wholy consistant and your argument shows you entirely failed to actually read his post and understand it.
 
ecofarm said:
Racism is only possible by a dominant group. Minorities are not capable of implementing a system of privilege that permeates society. Minorities are capable of racial prejudice, but the 'ism' part... not really (keeping in mind the negative connotation that the term definitively carries). That's the sociological definition and I'm stickin' to it. The claim of minorities being capable of racism is operating at a lower level of cognition as far as I'm concerned.

That's provoking violence and rather immature. They get confronted plenty; they know they're alone. Let's just be happy that the roaches are in the light instead of creeping about in the dark.
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See what I mean? This is typical of liberals, even the liberals who claim to be independent. Thank your for your well timed example of what I am talking about.
 
Zyphlin said:
Suggesting that liberals can't recognize that blacks can be racist and conservatives only see "the world as it really is" is what's untrue and idiotic.

You're an example, in this thread, of a liberal recognizing racism by blacks. Emporia is an example of a conservative who most certainly does not see "The world as it really is".
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Can't? Maybe some liberals can recognize that blacks can be racists. But that is not the way to bet.
Conservatives do see the world, in this context, far more often than liberals do. Just look at one who claims to be Independent says.
 
Misterveritis said:
It has occurred to me that I associate with a far better class of people than most.
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Fine, but I am here to assure you that racism runs the gamut of socioeconomic status. If the landed and monied classes were not racist there would be no need for the civil rights act at all. The powerless and havenots can not inflict damage on an insular and oppressed minority. Only the privileged can do that. Those who can decide who gets to sit at the counter, take out a real estate loan, get a job... Some ignorant unwashed rube in an Alabama church living in the same deplorable squalor as the object of his disaffection? Not so much.
 
ecofarm said:
Racism is only possible by a dominant group. Minorities are not capable of implementing a system of privilege that permeates society. Minorities are capable of racial prejudice, but the 'ism' part... not really (keeping in mind the negative connotation that the term definitively carries). That's the sociological definition and I'm stickin' to it. The claim of minorities being capable of racism is operating at a lower level of cognition as far as I'm concerned.
That's provoking violence and rather immature. They get confronted plenty; they know they're alone. Let's just be happy that the roaches are in the light instead of creeping about in the dark.
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The "only majority groups can be racist because only they wield power" argument is as goofy today as it was when Spike Lee first made it. Any individual and fool can be a racist. Any group can implement racist ideals. Blaming 'racism' on a 'group' in any way shape or form merely excuses the racist acts and actions of any 1 person, group of people, etc.

Prior to this article I have never heard of Pastor Whosits****. After this article I will never again care about Pastor Whosits****. Yet his actions were certainly racIST and as a little happy band of powerless morons their gathering is no less an act of racISM.
 
Hare said:
Did ya read the OP?
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I did. There was almost nothing there. Don't people get together when they think they have been treated unfairly? Do we still have an amendment that allows such things?
 
Redress said:
His point is about systematic racism. Go back and read his post. Notice the use of the word "group". It is important. I am not sure I agree with his distinction between racism and racial prejudice but he is being wholy consistant and your argument shows you entirely failed to actually read his post and understand it.
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there is an unfortunately common belief out there, that blacks & Hispanics can't be racist, because they don't have the institutionalized power to be racist.

they can be prejudiced, but they can't be racist...they say.

however, I've seen NO definition of "racism", that says it can only be applied to institutionalized racial hatred, stereotypes, & discrimination. Such an understanding, is self-serving bull**** to disregard & handwave away legitimate accusations of black & Hispanic racism in the USA.
 
Misterveritis said:
See what I mean? This is typical of liberals, even the liberals who claim to be independent. Thank your for your well timed example of what I am talking about.
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LOL. In other words, if I disagree with him and he isn't a liberal, then I'll make him a liberal so I can make a lazy ad hom attack instead of a well-reasoned argument.
 
Thunder said:
and you say you have never experienced white racism? :lamo
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I considered going with the politically correct "people of color" but the phrase just reeks. People of color equals colored. No? Do you think better English composition equals racism?

Besides, I love tweaking some of you.
 
Tomfoolery said:
The KKK appears to be an ignored elephant only to conservatives in this room, while they ruminate over the niceties of freedom to associate. Why is that?
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So your answer is the same as all of the other undisclosed, independent and liberal leaning posters. No one has defended the Ku Klux Klan. I am so glad we are all clear on this.
 
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