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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This is just an excuse...nothing more.

    You have your template. If the white congressional caucus introduced bills to shovel money and benefits to predominantly white neighborhoods would you object?

    Just for fun, do white people pay most of the federal income taxes? I know I pay a very large amount. I am part of the 53% who pay the federal income tax.
    Why do you keep asking me questions I already answered? Are you hoping for a different answer?

    But plenty of poor whites need help from government as well. The problem here is that while they may be poor and often in a bad situation to be able to personally help themselves (which always should be the first option if there is opportunity to do so), often culturally, these same people will resent help.
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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Why do you keep asking me questions I already answered? Are you hoping for a different answer?

    But plenty of poor whites need help from government as well. The problem here is that while they may be poor and often in a bad situation to be able to personally help themselves (which always should be the first option if there is opportunity to do so), often culturally, these same people will resent help.
    It occurs to me that we are in the mess we are in because many people think that the government is there to take from one group to "help" another group. Once governments start down that path the end will be tyranny. States cannot get there without massive taxes and massive regulations. In my opinion that is why governments fail.

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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    You're fighting an uphill battle. You are fighting against liberals who want it to be legal to burn the American flag yet illegal to burn crosses.
    As opposed to conservatives who think it should be legal to burn crosses, but not the flag?

    Nobody's saying it should be "illegal." But we are calling this out for what it is - a bunch of prejudiced white guys burning a cross. Which sounds exactly like a KKK meeting to me.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ...yes, they believe whites are inferior in seeing to the policy concerns of black people....
    that's not the meaning of racism.

    so by your own admission, the CBC isn't racist.

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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    You're fighting an uphill battle. You are fighting against liberals who want it to be legal to burn the American flag yet illegal to burn crosses.
    burning both should be completely legal. But having something sanctioned under free speech doesn't mean the individuals carrying out such an act are above criticism (which is also an act of free speech).

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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    You're fighting an uphill battle. You are fighting against liberals who want it to be legal to burn the American flag yet illegal to burn crosses.
    that's because burning a cross on SOMEONE ELSES property is an act of violent intimidation.

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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's because burning a cross on SOMEONE ELSES property is an act of violent intimidation.
    in virginia vs black the court recognized that cross burning had a historical context to it that could be used to convey a credible threat against another (which they ruled was perfectly fine to prosecute), they also recognized that it was be used as a symbol of group solidarity (which is still protected speech, and which the incident in the op most resembles))

    always struck me as a well thought out and reasonable position.
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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    You're fighting an uphill battle. You are fighting against liberals who want it to be legal to burn the American flag yet illegal to burn crosses.
    Not this one, Mr Reb. So we are clear:

    1. There is a history of slavery, de jure racial inferiority, present de facto racial discrimination in hiring and business, and de facto relative economic deprivation suffered by black people.

    2. Against that backdrop and in the present environment some racial prejudice by blacks as against whites is not morally or ethically objectionable.

    3. Against that backdrop and in the present environment any overt racial prejudice and exclusive groups whose organizing principle is their superiority or claims of white racial grievance is the height of distasteful and completely lacks moral or ethical license.

    4. I am against the CBC excluding white members in that it is (a) a bad strategic stance and a bad tacit to take. The organizing principle is to solve race based problems born of exclusion, so to be exclusive in that way is illogical; (b) the fact that it is the people's house makes racially exclusive groups objectionable.

    5. The country club issue is dicey. I understand a freedom to associate and that includes the freedom of some people to exclude others. It's still ugly and especially hurtful when a club is a symbol of privilege and success or social rank and it is wielded against a race in its very bylaws.

    6. Burn a cross/ burn a flag/ burn high grade marijuana, I don't care. (just don't drive a car)

    7. In a few limited cases I am amenable to race based preferences for minorities to remediate intractable structural discrimination. I don't like a lot of it b/c I am totally for a meritocracy. But sometimes things are so bad that the numbers simply prove a case to justify bending those rules.
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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomfoolery View Post
    2. Against that backdrop and in the present environment some racial prejudice by blacks as against whites is not morally or ethically objectionable.
    it's not? What is this based on, the principle of "two wrongs make a right"?

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    Re: Alabama Pastor holds 'whites only' conference

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomfoolery View Post
    ...2. Against that backdrop and in the present environment some racial prejudice by blacks as against whites is not morally or ethically objectionable....
    such excusing & justifying of racism against innocent people, is ignorant, absurd, and irresponsible.

    there are consequences to such statements, sometimes deadly ones.

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