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People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

The sword and axe are a wonderful backup to the firearms, no matter where you are, Somerville. I don't have all the details worked out yet. I figure that no matter what way I go, I'll probably be dead within a couple of years, so does it really matter?



GOOD. The Decline of America will hopefully lead to the rise of a proper country in its place.



Actually my legal advisor is working on it at this point, trying to iron out some of the issues. Hopefully by the first of August something will be in place to get me the hell out of here.

If you leave the country you will lose the opportunity to wage a figurative form of open source warfare against the established order in this country. Staying allows you to force your opponents to wage a long twilight struggle in which their hopes for the peace and quiet disappear. In responding to constant agitation their vision of America can be forced to transmorgify into something they will come to loathe...a police state. That will ruin them and their future.
 
If you leave the country you will lose the opportunity to wage a figurative form of open source warfare against the established order in this country. Staying allows you to force your opponents to wage a long twilight struggle in which their hopes for the peace and quiet disappear. In responding to constant agitation their vision of America can be forced to transmorgify into something they will come to loathe...a police state. That will ruin them and their future.

True, however leaving the country allows me to pursue opportunities to engage in other forms of "discourse" against the established order here in the United States. The type of resistance you're talking about doesn't work. It creates speedbumps, but nothing more.
 
True, however leaving the country allows me to pursue opportunities to engage in other forms of "discourse" against the established order here in the United States. The type of resistance you're talking about doesn't work. It creates speedbumps, but nothing more.

The type of resistance is very effective. Cheer up. The forces and processes of history are with us. They gravely weaken the Blue Model of Society and Govt.

China is disempowering Blue America. And everything Blue America does plays in to Chinese hands. American living standards are not coming back for most Americans. The American public schools will become even less competitive with those of foreign peers. The left is going to be fighting for its life against the changes now occurring at ground level worldwide. The left will never know peace.
 
What does history tell us about an internal minority that feels beleagured, oppressed, downwardly mobile, and who face what they perceive to be an existenital crisis? What do they do?
Frequently, they behave like idiots. For some, because that's all they are. But it isn't this lot that is reconstructed in their failure. It's those around and after them who end up taking heed. Look around you today. Mixed-race couples are commonplace and accepted as fact today. Women are ubiquitous in senior and higher management positions. Gays are on the verge of attaining equal rights. Even atheists are becoming influental. What sort of legacy of the conservative values of 50 years ago do these things represent? None of those bigots was ever brought out of the darkness, but their miserable examples sent countless millions down a different path. The right-wing is continuing to isolate itself today, taking a record of social, economic, environmental, military, and foreign policy disaster with them. Romney will either defend or repudiate that record, and neither one will help the right-wing. It is a losing cause slowly fading into the pages of history.
 
I'm not moving to Canada. Though I'm looking long and hard at IRAN, and what it takes to renounce my US Citizenship.

unfortunately, it appears that the Iranians embrace "socialism."

The constitution entitles Iranians to basic health care, and most receive subsidized prescription drugs and vaccination programs. An extensive network of public clinics offers basic care at low cost, and general and specialty hospitals operated by the Ministry of Health and Medical Education (MOHME) provide higher levels of care. In most large cities, well-to-do persons use private clinics and hospitals that charge high fees.[3] About 73% of all Iranian workers have health care and social security coverage.[3] In 2000, 94% of the population could access local health services, according to the WHO. Access ranged from 86% in rural areas to 100% in urban areas.[3] Between 80% and 94% of the population could access affordable essential medicines in 1999.[3] Since 2009, a new government plan called "the comprehensive insurance plan" provides basic coverage to all Iranians.[7]

Health care in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Frequently, they behave like idiots. For some, because that's all they are. But it isn't this lot that is reconstructed in their failure. It's those around and after them who end up taking heed. Look around you today. Mixed-race couples are commonplace and accepted as fact today. Women are ubiquitous in senior and higher management positions. Gays are on the verge of attaining equal rights. Even atheists are becoming influental. What sort of legacy of the conservative values of 50 years ago do these things represent? None of those bigots was ever brought out of the darkness, but their miserable examples sent countless millions down a different path. The right-wing is continuing to isolate itself today, taking a record of social, economic, environmental, military, and foreign policy disaster with them. Romney will either defend or repudiate that record, and neither one will help the right-wing. It is a losing cause slowly fading into the pages of history.

Not at all. We're simply RELOADING.
 
What does history tell us about an internal minority that feels beleagured, oppressed, downwardly mobile, and who face what they perceive to be an existenital crisis? What do they do?

Obviously they take to the internet and believe that will somehow someway translate into magically transforming a very small number of nuts into a very large number of powerful whacko's.

It has always amazed me how people who cannot get elected to a county commissioner slot because they completely and utterly lack any political skills whatsoever believe they can have a revolution by typing out messages on sites like this.
 
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The type of resistance is very effective. Cheer up. The forces and processes of history are with us. They gravely weaken the Blue Model of Society and Govt.

Not really. Hell, our own Revolutionary War and Civil War show us that there are times when nothing less than bloody conflict will resolve the disputes of philosophy. I believe it was Napoleon who referred to cannons as "The Ultimate Arguement of Kings."
 
Not really. Hell, our own Revolutionary War and Civil War show us that there are times when nothing less than bloody conflict will resolve the disputes of philosophy. I believe it was Napoleon who referred to cannons as "The Ultimate Arguement of Kings."

and then there are times when it is better just to sit in one's living room (or Mom's basement, as the case may be) and type revolutionary sounding messages to post on the internet for the entertainment of others around the world doing the same.
 
Frequently, they behave like idiots. For some, because that's all they are. But it isn't this lot that is reconstructed in their failure. It's those around and after them who end up taking heed. Look around you today. Mixed-race couples are commonplace and accepted as fact today. Women are ubiquitous in senior and higher management positions. Gays are on the verge of attaining equal rights. Even atheists are becoming influental. What sort of legacy of the conservative values of 50 years ago do these things represent? None of those bigots was ever brought out of the darkness, but their miserable examples sent countless millions down a different path. The right-wing is continuing to isolate itself today, taking a record of social, economic, environmental, military, and foreign policy disaster with them. Romney will either defend or repudiate that record, and neither one will help the right-wing. It is a losing cause slowly fading into the pages of history.

I'm an athiest. My family is mixed race. I'm the only white in the family. We are your political enemies even if you are a nice guy.

Here's your problem...every possible scenario save one entails a declining standard of living for most Americans. The collapse of public education and paralysis of the political culture ensures decline for the country. Declining living standards in a country with a reduced share of the internationl economic pie means that America can't buy social peace from those identity groups that will be moving down the economic food chain. Their lack of education dictates that.

No amount of happy talk can prevent this. The time to prepare for the coming ordeal was in the past. The country didn't prepare.

China has disempowered vast segments of American labor. China is weakening the US Dollar through currency manipulation. China has stolen most American intellectual property. And now it's too late to do anything about it.

Platitudes and bromides don't mean anything to hard cold reality. And now you're going to end up with an embittered and hostile group which has no incentive to help you in your struggle against hard cold reality.
 
Obviously they take to the internet and believe that will somehow someway translate into magically transforming a very small number of nuts into a very large number of powerful whacko's.

It has always amazed me how people who cannot get elected to a county commissioner slot because they completely and utterly lack any political skills whatsoever believe they can have a revolution by typing out messages on sites like this.

What are you going to do with declining public schools? Your side is in bed with the people who demand maintenance of the status quo. An uneducated people don't have much of a future my friend. You are powerless to change that.
 
Not really. Hell, our own Revolutionary War and Civil War show us that there are times when nothing less than bloody conflict will resolve the disputes of philosophy. I believe it was Napoleon who referred to cannons as "The Ultimate Arguement of Kings."

Collapsing education in America is much more effective than kinetic warfare in terms of permitting the outside world to impose its will on America. America is part First World and part Third World. But only Third World America is growing in any meaningful sense. And that's not good for the future economic prospects of the country.
 
I'm working on getting out of here as we speak.


Well hurry...just pack up and get out if thats what you want to do....
 
Collapsing education in America is much more effective than kinetic warfare in terms of permitting the outside world to impose its will on America. America is part First World and part Third World. But only Third World America is growing in any meaningful sense. And that's not good for the future economic prospects of the country.

Know what albert collapsing americans quality of life out of greed has done more to allow the outside world to impose its will on us than anything else....Sending all decent jobs to china has weakened this country distinctively in quality of life, Incomes, purchasing power and tax revenues....you conservatives need to be honest with yourselves and admit what you know and cant say or you will blasphemy your party
 
Know what albert collapsing americans quality of life out of greed has done more to allow the outside world to impose its will on us than anything else....Sending all decent jobs to china has weakened this country distinctively in quality of life, Incomes, purchasing power and tax revenues....you conservatives need to be honest with yourselves and admit what you know and cant say or you will blasphemy your party

I admit that both leftist and conservative Big Business types sent American jobs to China. For every conservative you show me I can show you a Jeffrey Immelt from General Electric who sent jobs to the wonderful people of China. No one has clean hands. Both sides are at fault. And now at least two full generations of American youth are going to suffer like we haven't seen in more than eighty years.

Did you know that the California liberals had the SF Bay Bridge expansion/retrofit built in China and shipped in pieces to the Bay Area? Liberals did this. Doesn't that demonstrate hypocrisy. Can you see why I have detached my emotions from America. Otherwise my heart would break.
 
I admit that both leftist and conservative Big Business types sent American jobs to China. For every conservative you show me I can show you a Jeffrey Immelt from General Electric who sent jobs to the wonderful people of China. No one has clean hands. Both sides are at fault. And now at least two full generations of American youth are going to suffer like we haven't seen in more than eighty years.

Did you know that the California liberals had the SF Bay Bridge expansion/retrofit built in China and shipped in pieces to the Bay Area? Liberals did this. Doesn't that demonstrate hypocrisy. Can you see why I have detached my emotions from America. Otherwise my heart would break.

Conservatives are sending jobs overseas, while liberals are buying infrastructure from China. Who will save us? I suppose it will be up to the Libertarians.
 
What are you going to do with declining public schools? Your side is in bed with the people who demand maintenance of the status quo. An uneducated people don't have much of a future my friend. You are powerless to change that.

What declining public schools?

Where is your verifiable evidence of this as some sort of a national problem?

What are you talking about - America as uneducated people?

You paint a doom and gloom picture but you are using pastel chalks on a sidewalk that can be easily washed off with a light hosing of water because they do not stand up to scrutiny.
 
I admit that both leftist and conservative Big Business types sent American jobs to China. For every conservative you show me I can show you a Jeffrey Immelt from General Electric who sent jobs to the wonderful people of China. No one has clean hands. Both sides are at fault. And now at least two full generations of American youth are going to suffer like we haven't seen in more than eighty years.

Did you know that the California liberals had the SF Bay Bridge expansion/retrofit built in China and shipped in pieces to the Bay Area? Liberals did this. Doesn't that demonstrate hypocrisy. Can you see why I have detached my emotions from America. Otherwise my heart would break.

So isn't it about time we at least stop digging the hole deeper?
 
What declining public schools?

Where is your verifiable evidence of this as some sort of a national problem?

What are you talking about - America as uneducated people?

You paint a doom and gloom picture but you are using pastel chalks on a sidewalk that can be easily washed off with a light hosing of water because they do not stand up to scrutiny.

Are you being disingenuous? Have you heard of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development? It's generally referred to as the OECD. Are you familiar with it? The OECD created PISA. Do you know what PISA is? It ranks students by country in math, science, reading and writing. That's how we know how American students measure up to their foreign peers. Take a look at this:

The U.S. ranks 23rd in PISA science score « Ranking America


Here's something else that you may find interesting:

 
Are you being disingenuous? Have you heard of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development? It's generally referred to as the OECD. Are you familiar with it? The OECD created PISA. Do you know what PISA is? It ranks students by country in math, science, reading and writing. That's how we know how American students measure up to their foreign peers. ]

None of what you said or linked to says one verifiable thing showing that American education is on the decline.

Allow me to help you with the methodology.

1 - start with the past where you believe American education did a great or good job. Lets get those measurements.
2- Present data from today in American schools which show a decline
3 - if all the variables and other things which impact results have remained constant - then you may have a point.

I saw the SUPERMAN movies. I thought Chris Reeve was quite good.
 
I think your side should have sought peace when it had the chance. The hole is a grave. Your side dug it.

WOW!!!! earlier you said that both sides were responsible. Suddenly, when painted into a corner, you resort to "you did it you did it you did it".

You very move from this faux above it all viewpoint to that of an extremist right wing shrieking partisan.

Your reply says nothing about what you cite as the problem. Don't you think its about time we STOP sending jobs overseas since you condemn that process and cite it as a cause of what you see as a major problem in America today?
 
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Actually my legal advisor is working on it at this point, trying to iron out some of the issues. Hopefully by the first of August something will be in place to get me the hell out of here.

Bon voyage! We are excited about your departure! Iran will welcome you with open arms, at least until they find out about your medical disabilities. But hey, you will like their socialized health care there I bet!
 
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