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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    This shambles can be accredited to a culture whereby the national fabric has become so fearful, phobic and sickly of the idea of Communism, thanks to the Cold War, that they have moved to one extreme of Venture Capitalism to the next, whereby even the smallest suggestion that government MAY actually have a positive and constructive and human rights based ability and role to provide services for the bettering of the nation in a way that the private sphere could possibly not, that everybody screams socialism and raises arms as though they where counter-revolutionists.

    So now we have a country that will do anything to keep constructive government at bay at the expense of reaping hell in the socio-economic structures of the country which have become corrupt, disenchanted and marginalised, just because the vast majority of Americans do not understand that the word "socialism" is not mutually exclusive with un-American, bad and communism and does NOT inevitably end with Communism (by the same logic, 2+1 ends with a result of 10).

    Perhaps this complete lack of tolerance can also be pointed to the expanding role of federal government in state affairs. They need to be scaled back but state governments should be given an ultimatum to provide healthcare with the funding of the federal budget.

    Better, more affordable healthcare for the taxpayer cannot - i repeat - CANNOT - ever be regarded as a bad thing, except for the rich, who will always have the option of private healthcare open to them like they do in England even though we have a National Health Service.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    At least in Canada they won't be forced to pay for expensive healthcare insurance that cover's them for everything other than the most serious and chronic of ailments without the excessive sums and debts.



    Yes through manageable and fair taxes. But they will be completely covered.

    Private healthcare has two motives however. Providing healthcare and making a profit (because that is precisely what being private entails). And guess which of the two takes precedence? Insurance companies do pretty much everything to hold onto the money and wont give it up easily, you're better off going to Canada than staying in America and paying for private healthcare insurance. Hence why, according to the UN, the U.S is listed 38 out of 194 countries in ascending order of highest life expectancy, which is lower than Cuba and significantly lower than Canada - truly shameful. Typical example of a country with vast amounts of wealth with only a fraction of the populace benefiting.

    Hell, i'd argue your better off moving to Cuba let alone Canada.
    Medicine being for-profit is not the primary or only reason why U.S. life expectancy isn't the same as other countries (and the difference in most cases is 1-3 years...our ALE is 78.2 and the highest ALE belongs to Japan, at 82.6 Only four countries have a life expectancy at 82+ years). The American lifestyle, including diet, physical activity, mentality towards healthy living, social pressures for appearance, etc...all contributing factors. Our consumption of alcohol and tobacco...also key factors. Accessibility of drugs...also a key factor. Violent crime statistics...also a key factor.

    It's dishonest to say that our health care is the reason our life expectancy is shorter than other countries and imply that it's the primary reason. It's a small part of a much larger puzzle.

    Further, the life expectancy in Cuba is 78.3....that's only 0.1 year longer than the U.S. That's a marginal difference.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    While some love calling Americans dumb fat and happy, drinking like fish and eating anything fried, smoking like chimneys while planted at a desk for work and the couch while at leisure....

    I don't think it is unique to our nation. Cubans seem to enjoy frying damn near everything with a side of beans and or rice. Drinking and smoking is as much a part of their culture as ours yet we spend far more for a basic dead heat. Becoming more sedentary, over consumption, and taste over nutrition isn't new nor restricted to only our citizens.

    I once helped give an insurance reform doctor some precision shooting lessons. He was an eye opener for where and how doctors drop the ball with patients. Where hospitals neglect their role in patient care and how some doctors really need to find a new career. How insurance companies don't concern themselves with overseeing those they pay but rather keep stock holders, many times a high % of whom are medical professionals, happy.

    Funny thing about him, unlike a lot of doctors who are difficult students and trend toward blaming their gear rather than themselves, he owned his muffs. loved hi introduction line for the doctors/hospital administrators... I bring a lifeboat, but I decide who gets a seat and there will not be enough seats for everyone.

    I kind of liked his attitude. He quickly learned some of his high dollar scopes were POS and some of the cheaper rigs can outshoot fancy custom dollar sinks.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Medicine being for-profit is not the primary or only reason why U.S. life expectancy isn't the same as other countries (and the difference in most cases is 1-3 years...our ALE is 78.2 and the highest ALE belongs to Japan, at 82.6 Only four countries have a life expectancy at 82+ years). The American lifestyle, including diet, physical activity, mentality towards healthy living, social pressures for appearance, etc...all contributing factors. Our consumption of alcohol and tobacco...also key factors. Accessibility of drugs...also a key factor. Violent crime statistics...also a key factor.
    All of which, as you may notice, are factors that can be adequately addressed and managed through a good and easily accessible health care system which to be quiet frank America does not have.

    It's dishonest to say that our health care is the reason our life expectancy is shorter than other countries and imply that it's the primary reason. It's a small part of a much larger puzzle.
    I'd say it is a large contributing factor. You could just as easily break it down further by looking at how many millions of Americans lack healthcare insurance and how many millions more cannot afford the right insurance and look at how many deaths happen a year quiet simply because they either do not have insurance and/or their policy do not cover their ailments.

    Yet the government sits back and allows it to happen, because of a small group of very powerful, very radical and very loud members of Congress might label them "commies".

    Further, the life expectancy in Cuba is 78.3....that's only 0.1 year longer than the U.S. That's a marginal difference.
    Still an achievement considering the state of their economy, partly due to the US lead embargoes. Cuba is just one example, look at Canada and Europe for a better estimation.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I don't think any other country in the world requires everyone buy insurance policies from private corporations.

    That's why insurance companies like it. That's what I don't like about it. The problem with health care was never the government, it was the insurance companies.


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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yes, people are so fed up with "socialized health care" in America, that they're moving. To Canada

    People Who Say They're Moving To Canada Because Of ObamaCare



    Ha ha so funny it's going to hard to find another country without some kind of universal health care!

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance | Reuters

    Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    I'm generally against direct government control, but having lived in Canada and heard the opinions of my many Canadian family members and friends, I'm quite confident in the Canadian system's superiority. It's one of the things I miss about living there. Everyone gets basic dental and medical coverage with the result being an overall healthier society. The odd person has to come to the U.S. for a procedure, but that's a problem with the low population density of the country rather than a problem with the "socialized" payment methodology.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Study links 45,000 U.S. deaths to lack of insurance | Reuters

    Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.
    I would be willing to bet that it's because Americans generally live unhealthy lifestyles, and not due to a lack of insurance. Alot of people want to pretend that we are dying because of lack of insurance, but poor health is the cause of death, not lack of funding. What many don't realize is that to cover all Americans would be prohibitively expensive, as compared to many other nations, because we are collectively unhealthy due to lifestyles of excess.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I would be willing to bet that it's because Americans generally live unhealthy lifestyles, and not due to a lack of insurance. Alot of people want to pretend that we are dying because of lack of insurance, but poor health is the cause of death, not lack of funding. What many don't realize is that to cover all Americans would be prohibitively expensive, as compared to many other nations, because we are collectively unhealthy due to lifestyles of excess.
    I bet poor access to sufficiently good healthcare is half the problem. I understand it would be expensive, but America is the wealthiest nation in the world and one of the few without universal healthcare. So where are the funding gaps? Why wouldn't it be possible for America to sustain this level of funding? Well, you could look to the excessive wastefulness of the American economy and the collosal budget of the military for starters.
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