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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What would be evil about someone deciding to change citizenship? I don't understand what the raging is about? Hating everyone who isn't an American citizen?

    If a person wants to change citizenship, it's no big deal. I don't see ANY reason that person should be treated an different than any other non-American.
    I agree if people want to leave it is their right as promised by the Constitution. But that is the logical part of the conversation. You cant deny that such an action has not only emotional but political results.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Quag is competent to post on Quag's behalf. Not yours. That would be your job, but in this case at least, you don't want it.


    I guess you can just ignore all those tainted spinach, lettuce, peanut, and salad bar scares. Otherwise, your 50-50 data are not so good. Cancers plus suicides took more lives than heart disease in 2010 with quite a lot of other causes left over. Eating more fruits and vegetables will indeed lower one's risk of developing heart disease regardless of what else one eats. It won't however reduce your chances of dying from other causes. Semi-vegetarians who eat fish and dairy products but meat less than once a week do not fare quite as well as fanatics, but signifcantly better than regular meat-eaters.


    Spoken like a true fanatic.


    Atkins is dead and most of his one-time empire with him. But his dietary plan relied on ketogenesis only during the initial weight loss period. On reaching a healthy target wieght, he advised adjustment to a maintenance diet something like what was later popularized as the Mediterranean Diet.
    Tainted salad? And spinach? You do know what those foods are tainted with, right? Animal stuff.

    I can't be a proper fanatic on diet. I travel too much, am usually away from home six days a week. This makes it extremely hard for me to eat exactly like I want to. But the facts are the facts. A vegetarian diet is much healthier than the western diet. That's the simple truth.



    My data on heart disease death is backed by this AHA article. I will believe their data over yours any day:

    According to the CDC/NCHS, if all forms of major CVD were eliminated, life expectancy would rise by almost 7 years. If all forms of cancer were eliminated, the gain would be 3 years. According to the same study, the probability at birth of eventually dying from major CVD (I00I78) is 47%, and the chance of dying from cancer is 22%. Additional probabilities are 3% for accidents, 2% for diabetes and 0.7% for HIV.

    http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/113/6/e85.full
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Tainted salad? And spinach? You do know what those foods are tainted with, right? Animal stuff.
    Hmmm. E Coli and salmonella are bacteria, aflatoxin is a fungal product, and all of them make you pretty sick no matter how they have come to contaminate a bunch of veggies.

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    I can't be a proper fanatic on diet. I travel too much, am usually away from home six days a week. This makes it extremely hard for me to eat exactly like I want to. But the facts are the facts. A vegetarian diet is much healthier than the western diet. That's the simple truth.
    I'm not at all trying to discourage vegetables or vegetarians in any degree. I do discourage some of the claims that come from those who have adopted vegetarianism as a religion, along of course with what certainly seems like all of the obesity-related nonsense that the right-wing has managed to manufacture of late in trying to gin up phony opposition to health care reform. In any case, I have people here who could rightfully claim to be close family members who are strict vegetarians. I might become one myself if scrapple, sausage, and meatballs are reclassified as vegetables. In the meantime, it would certainly be a good idea for most people to consciously include more fruits and vegetables (fresh or not) in their diets. It would also be a good idea to reduce and even eliminate such vegetable products as palm, coconut, and other tropical oils. Maybe cookies and bags full of corn and potato chips as well, but one step at a time, and don't expect miracles. Population-based data tend to focus on the small number of people (sometimes less than one in a hundred) who exhibit a particular effect. They tend to ignore the oftentimes much larger number of people who don't. If we accept both that the odds of dying from ischaemic heart disease are 47% and the separately reported notion that vegetarians reduce their risk of that by 24%, then about one in nine people will avoid dying from heart disease through diet, while the other eight either die from heart disease or don't just as they would have in any case. And who would want to gamble a lifetime of scrapple-eating on a 9-to-1 longshot?

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    My data on heart disease death is backed by this AHA article. I will believe their data over yours any day:
    They weren't mine. They were the published CDC data for causes of death during 2010 that anyone could find online. According to their work, heart disease was the most common cause of death that year, but more people succumbed to the combination of cancer and suicide with many other causes still left on the shelf. Those are the facts. If there isn't a way for them to fit into your worldview, the problem isn't with the facts.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Hmmm. E Coli and salmonella are bacteria, aflatoxin is a fungal product, and all of them make you pretty sick no matter how they have come to contaminate a bunch of veggies.


    I'm not at all trying to discourage vegetables or vegetarians in any degree. I do discourage some of the claims that come from those who have adopted vegetarianism as a religion, along of course with what certainly seems like all of the obesity-related nonsense that the right-wing has managed to manufacture of late in trying to gin up phony opposition to health care reform. In any case, I have people here who could rightfully claim to be close family members who are strict vegetarians. I might become one myself if scrapple, sausage, and meatballs are reclassified as vegetables. In the meantime, it would certainly be a good idea for most people to consciously include more fruits and vegetables (fresh or not) in their diets. It would also be a good idea to reduce and even eliminate such vegetable products as palm, coconut, and other tropical oils. Maybe cookies and bags full of corn and potato chips as well, but one step at a time, and don't expect miracles. Population-based data tend to focus on the small number of people (sometimes less than one in a hundred) who exhibit a particular effect. They tend to ignore the oftentimes much larger number of people who don't. If we accept both that the odds of dying from ischaemic heart disease are 47% and the separately reported notion that vegetarians reduce their risk of that by 24%, then about one in nine people will avoid dying from heart disease through diet, while the other eight either die from heart disease or don't just as they would have in any case. And who would want to gamble a lifetime of scrapple-eating on a 9-to-1 longshot?


    They weren't mine. They were the published CDC data for causes of death during 2010 that anyone could find online. According to their work, heart disease was the most common cause of death that year, but more people succumbed to the combination of cancer and suicide with many other causes still left on the shelf. Those are the facts. If there isn't a way for them to fit into your worldview, the problem isn't with the facts.
    You seem pretty well informed, so you must know that there are more benefits to a vegetarian diet than reduced heart disease:

    The World Health Organization has determined that dietary factors account for at least 30 percent of all cancers in Western countries and up to 20 percent in developing countries. When cancer researchers started to search for links between diet and cancer, one of the most noticeable findings was that people who avoided meat were much less likely to develop the disease. Large studies in England and Germany showed that vegetarians were about 40 percent less likely to develop cancer compared to meat eaters.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    You seem pretty well informed, so you must know that there are more benefits to a vegetarian diet than reduced heart disease:

    The World Health Organization has determined that dietary factors account for at least 30 percent of all cancers in Western countries and up to 20 percent in developing countries. When cancer researchers started to search for links between diet and cancer, one of the most noticeable findings was that people who avoided meat were much less likely to develop the disease. Large studies in England and Germany showed that vegetarians were about 40 percent less likely to develop cancer compared to meat eaters.
    Well, I'm well informed enough to know that this particular claim appears (in exact, word-for-word, "echo chamber"-like fashion) in devoted vegetarian and animal rights cookbooks, blogs, and websites all over the internet. Would you happen to have a link to an actual World Health Organization website where the claim is made?

    This is not to say that along with genetic and environmental factors, poor dietary habits do not contribute to a variety of diseases that includes some forms of cancer. A combination diet and physical activity sufficient to maintain a healthy weight through adulthood and on into old age will serve almost everyone well.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Well, I'm well informed enough to know that this particular claim appears (in exact, word-for-word, "echo chamber"-like fashion) in devoted vegetarian and animal rights cookbooks, blogs, and websites all over the internet. Would you happen to have a link to an actual World Health Organization website where the claim is made?

    This is not to say that along with genetic and environmental factors, poor dietary habits do not contribute to a variety of diseases that includes some forms of cancer. A combination diet and physical activity sufficient to maintain a healthy weight through adulthood and on into old age will serve almost everyone well.
    I was posting links earlier in the thread, but you were not, so you can find it on your own.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    I was posting links earlier in the thread, but you were not, so you can find it on your own.
    The results of that were reported on just above.
    Last edited by Cardinal Fang; 07-21-12 at 12:06 PM.

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