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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    My point was not to make excuses for why America is not viewed as number one in healthcare world wide. I just think that making healthcare an competition sport between countries really devalues the fact that we do have good medical care in the US. Is it perfect? Hell no. But we do not need to mimic other countries to make the needed improvements. We can do things better if we do not mimic, since mimicking will only get us as far as those that we would be mimicking.

    I think that we should strive to do better than any other country rather than copy them. Which is the philosophy that has driven this country for its entire life, why stop now?

    I agree with what you said and my post wasn't meant to challenge what you said. It just used your post, which I liked, as a starting point for discussion
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I agree with what you said and my post wasn't meant to challenge what you said. It just used your post, which I liked, as a starting point for discussion
    I didnt take it as a challenge. But considering your comment and my lack of commentary I thought I should clarify myself, or at least try to add some relevance.

    Obesity and alcoholism while they lead to major health issues, become difficult for any healthcare system to deal with. The reason being is that a certain amount of liberty allows for obesity and alcoholism to exist. And also considering that both are diverse compounded issues that also can involve the judicial system and genetics and perhaps even social/cultural, it becomes even more difficult to truly say that they are both healthcare issues. Not saying though that education could not be upped.

    As far as different death rates and disease rates between the races, I would need to research more to understand whether it is racial discrimination or genetics that have caused the differences. Most likely though I can guess that its between both. Either way improvements are warranted.

    Homicides, poor diet, and lack of exercise again are compounded issues. Social and cultural elements can be a big influence, again education is probably all that is really going to be effective in battling such things. Although metal disorders can be addressed by the healthcare system. Personally I think that the entire world lacks sufficient mental health care. I say that because of the different trends that become popular and that many different people have conflicting ideas in what works. The problem though is actually that most people would refuse any psychiatric help, because of the stigma of seeing a shrink implies. Im not crazy. Perhaps not, but there maybe some physical reason why you are so angry or why you eat five happy meals a day.

    But the biggest difficulty that i see with improving our healthcare system is partisan politics. One side says this the other side says this, but neither realize that they are both the problem with our healthcare system. The healthcare system debate has become a whipping post for the Republican's and Democrat's to push out their chests and declare that their ideology is the most moral and ethical thing in the world. In reality one side wants us to mimic so so healthcare systems while the other wishes to just continue as we were. Obliviously we need some fresh innovative ideas, unfortunately I dont really have any. But that doesnt mean that through discussions like this one that we cannot come up with any new fresh innovative ideas.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    yeah you guys think were all nice an polite up here, I got news for you

    Reasons to Fear Canada

    * Ninety percent of population is massed within 100 miles of northern American border.

    * Seems not to mind that one of its provinces has turned almost entirely French.

    * Excessive politeness only makes sense as cover for something truly sinister. But what?

    * Citizens seem strangely impervious to cold.

    * Decriminalization of marijuana and acceptance of gay marriage without corresponding collapse of social institutions indicate Canada may, in fact, be indestructible.

    * Has infiltrated entertainment industry with singers, actors, and comedians practically indistinguishable from their American counterparts.
    [And yes, that would include Celine Dion - TH]

    * Consistently stays just below cultural radar yet never quite disappears.

    * Parliamentary government and common-law judiciary appear to function acceptably yet remain completely inscrutable.

    * Never had a "disco phase."

    * Seemingly endless supply of timber, donuts, and Scotch-plaid hats with earflaps.

    * Keeps insisting it "has no designs on America" and "only wants peace."

    * Plays a mean game of pond hockey.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Eventually, quite a lot. The bottom line is, we can't continue to spend 17% of the GDP on health care, particularly when the costs keep growing faster than the rate of inflation. We simply can't afford the current system.

    Not to worry, the TAX to pay for Obamacare is just around the corner.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Not to worry, the TAX to pay for Obamacare is just around the corner.
    What makes you think the feds won't just keep printing more money? Tax increases, like spending cuts, are unpopular.

    Did you know that the overall cost of health care in Taiwan is the same as the cost for Medicare alone in the USA?
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What makes you think the feds won't just keep printing more money? Tax increases, like spending cuts, are unpopular.

    Did you know that the overall cost of health care in Taiwan is the same as the cost for Medicare alone in the USA?

    Ditto, first of all the total population in taiwan as of 2012 is 23million...with only 10.5% 65 or over....Florida has over 19 million people and a HELLUVA lot more 65 and older than taiwan and thats just one STATE...seems to me based on those numbers they spend alot more per person in health care than we do...

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What makes you think the feds won't just keep printing more money? Tax increases, like spending cuts, are unpopular.

    Did you know that the overall cost of health care in Taiwan is the same as the cost for Medicare alone in the USA?


    The only way we can afford to add 30 Million more people to the HC system is to TAX the middle class. The "rich" can't pay for this. It can't happen any other way, IMO.

    The system will need more doctors, more nurses, more hospitals, more techs, etc. Who is going to pay for these folks education? Who's going to pay for all the equipment needed? $65 to $650 more per person, if "they" can even pay this, will not pay these "mores" we will need to handle this.

    I'm set for the TAX INCREASE, just waiting for them to figure out how much.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Not to worry, the TAX to pay for Obamacare is just around the corner.
    Yeah, so do the subsidies and credits. And here is a quick list of the major tax increases in PPACA. No, the tanning salon tax doesn't make the list...

    Broaden the Medicare tax base for high-income taxpayers
    Charge of an annual fee on health insurance providers
    Impose a 40% excise tax on health insurance policies which cost more than $27,500 for a family
    Impose an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs
    Impose a 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices
    Raise the 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%
    Limit annual contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500

    So which of those do you expect to be clobbered by?

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ditto, first of all the total population in taiwan as of 2012 is 23million...with only 10.5% 65 or over....Florida has over 19 million people and a HELLUVA lot more 65 and older than taiwan and thats just one STATE...seems to me based on those numbers they spend alot more per person in health care than we do...

    This was obvious, just like Canada. They just don't have the numbers like the US.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Yeah, so do the subsidies and credits. And here is a quick list of the major tax increases in PPACA. No, the tanning salon tax doesn't make the list...

    Broaden the Medicare tax base for high-income taxpayers
    Charge of an annual fee on health insurance providers
    Impose a 40% excise tax on health insurance policies which cost more than $27,500 for a family
    Impose an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs
    Impose a 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices
    Raise the 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%
    Limit annual contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500

    So which of those do you expect to be clobbered by?


    Say whatever you want, but the other shoe, a.k.a TAX, is going to come down and come down hard. It can't work without the MIDDLE CLASS being TAXed

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