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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Interesting image.

    Your words are the problem. I'm pretty sure you aren't intending to say what you're actually saying.
    The Americans moving to Canada because of their Healthcare system?
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

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    The Americans moving to Canada because of their Healthcare system?
    i was pretty sure that was what you meant.

    However:


    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen
    Taiwan? The live longer, spend less, and have more access to medical care. That seems like they are pretty happy with their system.
    your response:

    They are in for a big surprise because Canada's healthcare system has unbelievable waits for care.
    Of course, the idea of Americans moving to Canada in order to get away from Obomnycare is absurd, as most of us on this thread can see.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Imagine being in Canada where "the demands on the system have led to waiting lists for treatments such as MRI scans, cataract and artery bypass surgeries and hip replacements.
    I wouldn't mind. None of those things you listed are necessarily considered emergency procedures.

    My mom had to wait 4 weeks to have her cataracts treated (granted, her condition made her a special case), and CAB surgeries are often put off for weeks and sometimes months. Hip replacements too. Many times, it's advisable to put off a hip replacement for as long as possible.

    In the US, some people not only wait for treatment for serious conditions, they NEVER get the treatment they need. I'll take delayed treatment over no treatment. YMMV
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I wouldn't mind. None of those things you listed are necessarily considered emergency procedures.

    cataract perhaps is the only procedure that was mentioned that would be considered as non-emergency. But others can be.

    Logically yes a wait time is better than never, but in the US it is not never for everyone as it stands now. But I think the point is that Canada is a poor example not a solution to this nations healthcare woes. We should strive for a system that does much better than Canada while still allowing for the freedoms that should be apparent in any healthcare situation. Let it be said though that I agree that no one should die regardless of how they came to be in their situation, because of their lack of money to pay for life saving procedures. But I dont see insurance companies as anywhere near as a solution. Nor do I see nationalized healthcare as a solution. But I do see regulatory control of medical pricing as a start. And perhaps Government loans to pay for procedures or something along that line as a better idea.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    cataract perhaps is the only procedure that was mentioned that would be considered as non-emergency. But others can be.
    Yes, others "can be", and when they are, they are treated as an emergency...IOW, right away. Same in the US and Canada


    Logically yes a wait time is better than never, but in the US it is not never for everyone as it stands now. But I think the point is that Canada is a poor example not a solution to this nations healthcare woes. We should strive for a system that does much better than Canada while still allowing for the freedoms that should be apparent in any healthcare situation. Let it be said though that I agree that no one should die regardless of how they came to be in their situation, because of their lack of money to pay for life saving procedures. But I dont see insurance companies as anywhere near as a solution. Nor do I see nationalized healthcare as a solution. But I do see regulatory control of medical pricing as a start. And perhaps Government loans to pay for procedures or something along that line as a better idea.
    WHile I don't agree with every you said, I dont disagree with everything either. Either way, you do sound reasonable, so all I will say is that the areas where the Canadiens have waiting times are areas which are not emergency situations. Any canadian facing a life-threatening condition that an MRI, etc might help resolve is not required to wait for the MRI,etc. It's the other, non-emergency uses of MRI's that are put on a waiting list.

    Meanwhile, in the US, we don't have to wait for an MRI because we have a glut of MRI's which have contributed to the higher cost of medical treatment. We don't have to wait for an MRI because in the US, doctors are thrilled to send you to get an MRI. After, they have to find a way to pay for all the MRI machines they bought.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    cataract perhaps is the only procedure that was mentioned that would be considered as non-emergency. But others can be.

    Logically yes a wait time is better than never, but in the US it is not never for everyone as it stands now. But I think the point is that Canada is a poor example not a solution to this nations healthcare woes. We should strive for a system that does much better than Canada while still allowing for the freedoms that should be apparent in any healthcare situation. Let it be said though that I agree that no one should die regardless of how they came to be in their situation, because of their lack of money to pay for life saving procedures. But I dont see insurance companies as anywhere near as a solution. Nor do I see nationalized healthcare as a solution. But I do see regulatory control of medical pricing as a start. And perhaps Government loans to pay for procedures or something along that line as a better idea.
    Costs have to be controlled, but price controls by government dictate have a poor track record so far.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Costs have to be controlled, but price controls by government dictate have a poor track record so far.
    Lack of price controls, like the US, have an even poorer track record so far
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I wouldn't mind. None of those things you listed are necessarily considered emergency procedures.

    My mom had to wait 4 weeks to have her cataracts treated (granted, her condition made her a special case), and CAB surgeries are often put off for weeks and sometimes months. Hip replacements too. Many times, it's advisable to put off a hip replacement for as long as possible.

    In the US, some people not only wait for treatment for serious conditions, they NEVER get the treatment they need. I'll take delayed treatment over no treatment. YMMV


    I like our current system as is. I like have medical services available when and/or if I need them.

    The Canadians do only pay, per the article I posted, $350 hospital stay, but Canadians buy supplemental health insurance plans and the Canadian Adminstrator stated"

    “We have improved waiting times from years to months in most areas, but people still wait too long even in emergency rooms,”

    So I'll stick with the US system.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I like our current system as is. I like have medical services available when and/or if I need them.

    The Canadians do only pay, per the article I posted, $350 hospital stay, but Canadians buy supplemental health insurance plans and the Canadian Adminstrator stated"

    “We have improved waiting times from years to months in most areas, but people still wait too long even in emergency rooms,”

    So I'll stick with the US system.
    Actually, you won't

    Since you haven't noticed, the US health care is changing
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, you won't

    Since you haven't noticed, the US health care is changing

    Of course our current HC system will change. The question will be how much?

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