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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    A few points.

    First, I find it hilarious that conservatives consider themselves an oppressed minority. I guess not being in charge for the first time feels like oppression, doesn't it? Wait until someone actually oppresses you, you'll go berserk.

    Second, instead of blaming each other for sending jobs to China and empowering them at our own expense, how about we all just agree to stop doing it?

    Third, shouldn't we pursue whatever system will allow us to, based on an objective measurement, provide the best healthcare we possibly can? And for the most efficient cost? Whatever that system is, shouldn't that be what we use? And shouldn't we base it off of evidence, rather than slogans or political ideology?
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Limbaugh? Hannity? Who?


    My, my! I heard it on the local news. Am I wrong? If so please post the link that refutes what I heard. Thanks.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Third, shouldn't we pursue whatever system will allow us to, based on an objective measurement, provide the best healthcare we possibly can? And for the most efficient cost? Whatever that system is, shouldn't that be what we use? And shouldn't we base it off of evidence, rather than slogans or political ideology?
    Exactly...in fact that's how Taiwan came up with their healthcare system. They did a long term study of multiple countries and looked for the system that was coste effective and provided the best care. It's not rocket science, we can easily come up with a system that doesn't suck up 20% of our GDP and provides as good or better care than our current system does.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    They are in for a big surprise.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagger View Post
    They are in for a big surprise.
    Taiwan? The live longer, spend less, and have more access to medical care. That seems like they are pretty happy with their system.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Taiwan? The live longer, spend less, and have more access to medical care. That seems like they are pretty happy with their system.
    They are in for a big surprise because Canada's healthcare system has unbelievable waits for care.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagger View Post
    They are in for a big surprise because Canada's healthcare system has unbelievable waits for care.
    The Taiwanese are in for a big surprise because Canada's healthcare system has unbelievable waits for care?

    Somehow, I seem to be missing something there.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    My, my! I heard it on the local news. Am I wrong? If so please post the link that refutes what I heard. Thanks.

    You heard it on the local news? Well, then that settles it... oh, wait:

    To examine the extent to which Canadian residents seek medical care across the border, we collected data about Canadians’ use of services from ambulatory care facilities and hospitals located in Michigan, New York State, and Washington State during 1994–1998. We also collected information from several Canadian sources, including the 1996 National Population Health Survey, the provincial Ministries of Health, and the Canadian Life and Health Insurance Association. Results from these sources do not support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek care extensively in the United States. Indeed, the numbers found are so small as to be barely detectible relative to the use of care by Canadians at home.
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    The US is not and never has been a preferred place for medical tourism. Our system is expensive and not all that great.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You heard it on the local news? Well, then that settles it... oh, wait:



    source

    The US is not and never has been a preferred place for medical tourism. Our system is expensive and not all that great.

    Your right the Canadians would rather stay in Canada for emergency surgery. Their HC system pays $350 a day for hospital stay. In Florida it costs $5-6K a day where most of the "Snow Birds" go. Also, Canada will pay $350.00 per day to the hospital/doctor because they have universal HC.


    Canadians contrast their health care to U.S.'s - Washington Times

    "Nevertheless, the demands on the system have led to waiting lists for treatments such as MRI scans, cataract and artery bypass surgeries and hip replacements.

    That’s one reason why 70 percent of Canadians have some form of supplemental health insurance, whether or not they plan to visit the United States.

    The Canadian system needs fixing, said Dr. Robert Ouellet, president of the Canadian Medical Association.

    “We have improved waiting times from years to months in most areas, but people still wait too long even in emergency rooms,” he said."


    So, IMO, I would tend to put some credence on the report I heard on my local news this morning.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

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