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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So therefore I don't have to be tied to a particular job because of Health Benefits and therefore can find which section of the economy I can be more productive in, which is exactly what I did.
    Yeah, I wonder if employment-based health insurance is such a great idea why we haven't put everything else (life, auto, mortgage, long-term care, homeowners) onto the same basis. I mean, that way, if you lost your job, you wouldn't have coverage for anything at all. Think how cool that would be.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah and one of the reasons for that is economic mobility, especially in regards to health care.

    I pay for my health care via taxes, because of that whichever province I move to will provide me health care as long as I sign up for their provincial insurance plan, which is free except BC which is $50 a month I believe.

    So therefore I don't have to be tied to a particular job because of Health Benefits and therefore can find which section of the economy I can be more productive in, which is exactly what I did.
    I would argue that employer-provided insurance is one of the reasons costs are so high...there is another middle man involved in the process. Also, the idea that free market healthcare means employer-provided insurance is a common misconception. Government heavily encourages employer-provided insurance, and now thanks to Obamacare employers are forced to provide insurance or face fines. The irony is in the history of employer-provided insurance. During WWII, the federal government implemented wage controls, preventing wages from rising above a certain point. Yet they said health insurance did not count as wages for the purpose of the laws. It was at this time that employers offered health insurance to attract workers. They had no other way to do it legally.

    To make matters worse, government added tax incentives to encourage employer-provided healthcare. The tax advantages were made even more attractive and fully codified in the 1954 Internal Revenue Code. Over the next few decades, employer-provided healthcare was the dominant form of insurance, which is no surprise.

    The result? Workers are less likely to discriminate based on cost, for their employers are footing much of the bill. Providers of healthcare services have the incentive to provide more expensive services that are hardly more effective than the cheaper versions, because again those who receive the services are not paying for them directly (the employer is). It is difficult for an employer to monitor all of these healthcare costs while maintaining a successful business.

    To add insult to injury, in 2000 43% of all medical expenses were paid for by government. The notion that healthcare is "private" in America is nonsense.

    So when it comes to mobility, the problem originated with bad government policy decades ago, and has only been enforced since then and made mandatory with Obamacare.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yes, people are so fed up with "socialized health care" in America, that they're moving. To Canada
    Well, that should shorten the waiting lines.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Yeah, I wonder if employment-based health insurance is such a great idea why we haven't put everything else (life, auto, mortgage, long-term care, homeowners) onto the same basis. I mean, that way, if you lost your job, you wouldn't have coverage for anything at all. Think how cool that would be.
    You have to be alive and healthy to need any other insurance aside from Health...health you need to umm...well if you dont know already I guess theres no reason to splain it

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    So when it comes to mobility, the problem originated with bad government policy decades ago...
    Bad policy? Can you tell us if and how Americans got health care cover in the 1920's and 30's? It was in fact perfectly good policy at the time and continued for decades to be so. The problem came on the scene much later as two trends in particular began to develop -- first, rapidly accelerating health care costs (much of it not actually related to health care at all), and second, the ripping apart of the ties that used to bind a particular worker to a particular employer over time. The past is in any case done and cannot be undone. Wishing for things to have been otherwise will have absolutely no effect at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    ...and has only been enforced since then and made mandatory with Obamacare.
    LOL! Where do you suppose patrons of all these state-run exchanges are going to come from?
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yes, people are so fed up with "socialized health care" in America, that they're moving. To Canada

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    Great! Let'em go, It can only help with our unemployment problem. Whatever drives people away can only be good for us.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Yeah, I wonder if employment-based health insurance is such a great idea why we haven't put everything else (life, auto, mortgage, long-term care, homeowners) onto the same basis. I mean, that way, if you lost your job, you wouldn't have coverage for anything at all. Think how cool that would be.
    Employment based health insurance has never seemed like a good idea to me. Part of the reason jobs get outsourced is so that they don't have to pay for healthcare for all these employees.


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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Employment based health insurance has never seemed like a good idea to me. Part of the reason jobs get outsourced is so that they don't have to pay for healthcare for all these employees.
    That's fine. I've never been able to find a Constitutional Mandate for the Government to be involved in healthcare. So how about this.... The government gets out of the business of healthcare, we get employers out of the business of healthcare, and we just let everyone buy (or not buy) their own policy? Sounds good to me, how about you?

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's fine. I've never been able to find a Constitutional Mandate for the Government to be involved in healthcare. So how about this.... The government gets out of the business of healthcare, we get employers out of the business of healthcare, and we just let everyone buy (or not buy) their own policy? Sounds good to me, how about you?
    why do you still care? aren't you renouncing your citizenship and moving away in a couple of months?

    as for your question, i agree that health care should be in no way related to specific employment. it's a lose-lose situation that makes employers uncompetitive and screws employees every time they switch jobs. we'd be much better off with national basic coverage. the method i'd prefer would be expanding medicare, as that would give the program a lot more bargaining power when it comes to prices. if people wanted additional coverage, they could purchase it privately. however, as i've previously stated, i'd be willing to consider a plan custom made for America using other first world solutions as a template.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    why do you still care? aren't you renouncing your citizenship and moving away in a couple of months?
    Call it a philosophical exercise, and I will still have family members here in the US even after I leave.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    as for your question, i agree that health care should be in no way related to specific employment. it's a lose-lose situation that makes employers uncompetitive and screws employees every time they switch jobs. we'd be much better off with national basic coverage. the method i'd prefer would be expanding medicare, as that would give the program a lot more bargaining power when it comes to prices. if people wanted additional coverage, they could purchase it privately. however, as i've previously stated, i'd be willing to consider a plan custom made for America using other first world solutions as a template.
    The problem with that being the fact that your founding documents have no provision for any such program; or are you just going to continue to ignore that document as your government has for the last century and a half?

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