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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I require a government that does more than just talk about maintaining order in society.
    Damn free will country!!!! Why on earth do you stay in such a dreaded place as you see the US?
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Damn free will country!!!! Why on earth do you stay in such a dreaded place as you see the US?
    Did you ever read Melville's Moby Dick? Are you familiar with the character Ahab? This may be what Tigger is thinking:



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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Damn free will country!!!! Why on earth do you stay in such a dreaded place as you see the US?
    I'm working on getting out of here as we speak.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Work harder.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm working on getting out of here as we speak.

    Yes, surely ranting about how terrible life is for you in the US on a debate forum is the quickest way to leave the country.
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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and then what? no passports, no citizenship ... where are you going to live? HOW are you going to live? Tribal societies may not be very welcoming when you can't speak "ples tok" (pidgin for language of a place) and SCA tournament fighting may not be very useful if you don't have your swords, axes and shields with you.
    The sword and axe are a wonderful backup to the firearms, no matter where you are, Somerville. I don't have all the details worked out yet. I figure that no matter what way I go, I'll probably be dead within a couple of years, so does it really matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I think what we're seeing is the beginning of conservative despair. If, as and when President Obama is reelected this sentiment will morph into detachment from the established order. If true this will acclerate the decline of America.
    GOOD. The Decline of America will hopefully lead to the rise of a proper country in its place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, surely ranting about how terrible life is for you in the US on a debate forum is the quickest way to leave the country.
    Actually my legal advisor is working on it at this point, trying to iron out some of the issues. Hopefully by the first of August something will be in place to get me the hell out of here.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Actually my legal advisor is working on it at this point, trying to iron out some of the issues. Hopefully by the first of August something will be in place to get me the hell out of here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm working on getting out of here as we speak.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I think what we're seeing is the beginning of conservative despair.
    Well, they have a lot to despair over. Their whole extremist corner of the socio-political spectrum is a total train-wreck. They recently had it all and proceeded to wreck it all. And despite more recent efforts to prolong misery and prevent recovery, things have continued to get better. All in all, conservatives have been nothing short of toxic to the well-being and interests of most Americans. As more and more wake up to that simple fact, the fortunes fo the right-wing will continue to fade, and we will all be better off for it.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Actually my legal advisor is working on it at this point, trying to iron out some of the issues. Hopefully by the first of August something will be in place to get me the hell out of here.
    A significant barrier may arise in finding a country that sees itself as needing an influx of unstable, disinformed crackpots. So many of these other countries have limited the grant of entry credentials to those who might actually be able to CONTRIBUTE something. Makes it really tough for many of those in your situation.

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    Re: People say they're moving to Canada because of Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Well, they have a lot to despair over. Their whole extremist corner of the socio-political spectrum is a total train-wreck. They recently had it all and proceeded to wreck it all. And despite more recent efforts to prolong misery and prevent recovery, things have continued to get better. All in all, conservatives have been nothing short of toxic to the well-being and interests of most Americans. As more and more wake up to that simple fact, the fortunes fo the right-wing will continue to fade, and we will all be better off for it.
    What does history tell us about an internal minority that feels beleagured, oppressed, downwardly mobile, and who face what they perceive to be an existenital crisis? What do they do?

    Does history tell us that they will surrender their dearest beliefs in order to pitch in to help their domestic enemies complete the humiliation of the minority? Do you think that is the way things work? The people who have lost are composed of non-elite white Americans for the most part. They compose the largest group within the American middle class.

    Do they emigrate? Are they forced into exile? Or do they remain and build a tradition of being a separate and distinct people? Who do they turn to for assistance?

    The pattern is repeated over and over throughout recorded history. If you love America you should think about these things. Look at historical examples and think about their application in an era in which America is inexorably becoming a much weaker country desperately in need of solidarity and unity.

    Think about the radicalization that has gone on among Israeli Arabs. Think of how Hamas from Gaza totally rejects the idea of peace with Israel. Think of the last half century in Northern Ireland. Think of the Roman Boniface who invited the Vandals into Rome's North African provinces. Think of the Visigothic prince immersed in Civil War who invited the Moors into Spain.

    This is all happening at the end of the American dominated era of world history in which American political and economic power are ebbing. Think about the collapse of much of public education in America. Think about the inevitable diminishment of the American military.

    Think about the national debt in which the past will consume the future. Think of national despair. Your victory is pyhrric. A pyhrric victory is one not worth having.

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