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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Good point, the mainstrem liberal media has done an excellent job covering this up.
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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Holder let the truth slip out and it reinforces the theory that fast and furious was part of a scheme, a plot even. This cover up may indeed be what brings obama down.

    "This administration has consistently favored the reinstitution of the assault weapons ban. It is something that we think was useful in the past with regard to the reduction that we’ve seen in crime, and certainly would have a positive impact on our relationship and the crime situation in Mexico."

    Read more: Holder tells Congress the Obama administration wants to ban guns | The Daily Caller
    Okay...

    I don't see a problem with banning assault weapons as part of personal protection measures. I mean, why do you need one for self-protection? There are plenty of automatic and semi-automatic hand guns that can do the job of knocking a home invader flat on his back if not put a hole in his chest larger than the Grand Canyon (okay, sarcasm, but you get the point). Of course, those who vehemently defend their 2nd Amendment rights will certainly bring up the "militia clause". Still, I say you don't need a tank, a .50 caliber machine gun, land mines, and the like to defend yourself or your property from invaders. A Glock 9mm semi-auto hand gun will do the job just fine. Of course, if you're a hunter or a gun/weapons collector that's a different story. But the sale of these and other such weapons should still be tracked if for no other reason than to help keep them off the streets and out of the hands of criminals.

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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    Just for the heck of it, here is the opinion of The Logical Party of which I am one of extremely few members. We're no fun because logic has no passion. Indeed, logic is such a dated concept that I haven't seen any widespread application in years.

    Fast and Furious. Our President focuses on what he likes to do. He likes inventing new programs for the poor. He likes being involved in social justice. He likes to be a Politician, which he is fabulous at (first black president - amazing). He doesn't have much interest in law enforcement and I can't tell if Holder is any good at his supposed job. So, an agency like the ATFE can fall into disarray quite easily.

    Some genius decided to let some weapons go, a drop in the bucket really, and track them. Yeah, like thats gonna work. Since there is a definite lack of management, this had some consequences.

    Now, they're being asked to show the world exactly how stupid they are. Thats embarrassing and no doubt a few well entrenched officials would lose their jobs. So, they simply declare it a giant secret and stonewall. This has happened before.

    The idea that there is some underlying plot against the second amendment is soi far fetched. These guys cant find their ass with both hands and they figured out some incredibly indirect route to tamper with one of the many issues Obama avoids.

    It's just bureaucrats at work and play.

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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Just for the heck of it, here is the opinion of The Logical Party of which I am one of extremely few members. We're no fun because logic has no passion. Indeed, logic is such a dated concept that I haven't seen any widespread application in years.

    Fast and Furious. Our President focuses on what he likes to do. He likes inventing new programs for the poor. He likes being involved in social justice. He likes to be a Politician, which he is fabulous at (first black president - amazing). He doesn't have much interest in law enforcement and I can't tell if Holder is any good at his supposed job. So, an agency like the ATFE can fall into disarray quite easily.

    Some genius decided to let some weapons go, a drop in the bucket really, and track them. Yeah, like thats gonna work. Since there is a definite lack of management, this had some consequences.

    Now, they're being asked to show the world exactly how stupid they are. Thats embarrassing and no doubt a few well entrenched officials would lose their jobs. So, they simply declare it a giant secret and stonewall. This has happened before.

    The idea that there is some underlying plot against the second amendment is soi far fetched. These guys cant find their ass with both hands and they figured out some incredibly indirect route to tamper with one of the many issues Obama avoids.

    It's just bureaucrats at work and play.
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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bottom line is that the AZ/Mexico border is wide open so stopping drugs/people comming in or guns/cash going out is virtually unimpeded. This makes AZ the stop & shop (& drop) for all sorts of cartel criminal activity. What is NOT included is any talk of a need to secure the U.S./Mexico border. As long as we pretend that this is NOT the "root cause" of criminals choosing this area as a base of operations.

    The story also mentions, MANY times, the desire for stricter gun laws. At some point these weapons MUST cross the border, or be used in a criminal manner in the U.S.; THAT crime, rather than the buying of the weapons from FFL dealers in AZ, (that THEY KNEW WAS MOSTLY LEGAL) is what should be addressed. Stopping ALL gun sales in AZ would do nothing but have these guns bought in another state (or country), and like dominoes, we would then have "gun control".
    I disagree. What makes enforcement so incredibly difficult is Arizona's incredibly lax gun laws. There is no limit on how many long guns can be sold to a single purchaser at one go -- not even a reporting requirement for bulk purchases -- and there is no law against concealed carry (no license required).

    btw, you won't hear any testimony about gun control at the hearings because Issa has specifically prohibited it. He has also denied every Democratic request for hearings and to call witnesses. But this is NOT a partisan witch hunt....
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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I disagree. What makes enforcement so incredibly difficult is Arizona's incredibly lax gun laws. There is no limit on how many long guns can be sold to a single purchaser at one go -- not even a reporting requirement for bulk purchases -- and there is no law against concealed carry (no license required).

    btw, you won't hear any testimony about gun control at the hearings because Issa has specifically prohibited it. He has also denied every Democratic request for hearings and to call witnesses. But this is NOT a partisan witch hunt....
    That is because It doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. It is just the Dem members trying in vain to change the subject. Just like you do every time you post about this.

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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    So the right leaning news sources have supposedly been "reporting" on this subject for months and they couldn't find any of the stuff the reporter found at Fortune? They didn't comb through emails or ATF reports at the branch?
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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So the right leaning news sources have supposedly been "reporting" on this subject for months and they couldn't find any of the stuff the reporter found at Fortune? They didn't comb through emails or ATF reports at the branch?
    Wrong again. Try CBS news and a few from the Washington and LA times. Not exactly bastions of conservative thinking.

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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by mtlhdtodd View Post
    Wrong again. Try CBS news and a few from the Washington and LA times. Not exactly bastions of conservative thinking.

    Wrong - the CBS report that kicked off the whole smear campaign relied solely upon the words of a couple of disgruntled, arrogant ATF agents who weren't happy they had been passed over for promotion.

    The WaPo and LATimes articles were based more upon 'leaks' from Issa and his minions than upon any inspection of documents.
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    Re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by mtlhdtodd View Post
    Wrong again. Try CBS news and a few from the Washington and LA times. Not exactly bastions of conservative thinking.
    Unless the journalist at Fortune has completely lied in her report...yeah CBS news and some other people that have carried the story did a bad job. it wouldn't be the first time a story started on the right, was picked up by other news companies then was proven to be bad journalism. You'd think some news agencies would learn their lesson....of course...the story is still new so I'm sure it's going to be scrutinized.

    Of course....the story has tons of supporting documents while the reporting at CBS/Fox are just based on what someone said and what the Republicans in Congress have been saying.
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