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    Re: Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    No abortion in cases of rape and incest?
    I believe that a baby in the womb is a actual human being that deserves the same legal protections as you or me.As such in this country we do not demand that the relatives of criminals be punished.So a child in the womb should not be punished because of the actions of his or her birth father. Even if we did punish people for the actions of their relatives many people would consider the death penalty to be too extreme for rape and incest.
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    Re: Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I believe that a baby in the womb is a actual human being that deserves the same legal protections as you or me.As such in this country we do not demand that the relatives of criminals be punished.So a child in the womb should not be punished because of the actions of his or her birth father. Even if we did punish people for the actions of their relatives many people would consider the death penalty to be too extreme for rape and incest.
    So you think it is OK to punish the woman for something that was done to her?

    Funny that whole 'don't punish the relatives' thing somehow doesn't include the female victim of the crime in your opinion.

    There ain't no "baby in the womb" until about six months of pregnancy in my opinion and until it takes its first breaths it is not entitled to the same legal protections as the female person who is carrying the foetus. IMO


    The purpose of "Pro-choice" is to allow the one living breathing human in each case to make her own decision. Funny how the right is all for the freedom of the individual until it isn't.

    "Pro-life" is a misnomer, it should really be ANTI Abortion for in too many instances, preventing abortions causes death.
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    Re: Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

    regardless of the merits of the amendment.. it has nothing to do with flood insurance, and should not be allowed in.

    poor legislating is poor legislating, no matter who does it or what political lean they have.


    as Reid basically said " we all do it"... well there Harry, there's your problem right there.
    don't whine about something everyone on Capitol Hill does.... just change the ****ing rules so riders and irrelevant amendments can't make it in to bills.

    Rand, wtf are you thinking numbnuts?.... abortion has exactly dick to do with flood insurance..... get a clue.

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    Re: Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    this is why riders to bills are a bad thing and need to be outlawed. Through history both sides have used riders to get attention or trying to get things passed that would not stand on their own.

    We need change on how Congress does business.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is why there needs to be a one subject at a time law regarding bills.I am adamantly opposed to abortion except to save the life of the mother so I am not some abortionist injecting pro-abortionist bias in supporting one subject at a time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    regardless of the merits of the amendment.. it has nothing to do with flood insurance, and should not be allowed in.

    poor legislating is poor legislating, no matter who does it or what political lean they have.

    as Reid basically said " we all do it"... well there Harry, there's your problem right there.
    don't whine about something everyone on Capitol Hill does.... just change the ****ing rules so riders and irrelevant amendments can't make it in to bills.

    Rand, wtf are you thinking numbnuts?.... abortion has exactly dick to do with flood insurance..... get a clue.
    You guys beat me to it. It is because of dumb-ass abuse of the intent of the system like this that bills need... NEED!!!... to stick to a single subject. If that requires a Constitutional amendment... so be it.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and they say Republicans don't have a history of obstruction.

    what RP is doing is disgusting, immoral and outrageous.
    And he feels the same about those who have, provide, and support abortions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    So you think it is OK to punish the woman for something that was done to her?

    Funny that whole 'don't punish the relatives' thing somehow doesn't include the female victim of the crime in your opinion.

    There ain't no "baby in the womb" until about six months of pregnancy in my opinion and until it takes its first breaths it is not entitled to the same legal protections as the female person who is carrying the foetus. IMO


    The purpose of "Pro-choice" is to allow the one living breathing human in each case to make her own decision. Funny how the right is all for the freedom of the individual until it isn't.

    "Pro-life" is a misnomer, it should really be ANTI Abortion for in too many instances, preventing abortions causes death.
    They are still for freedom of the individual, they consider the unborn an individual. Of course you knew that.
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    Re: Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

    There is an abortion thread where it is better to discuss actual abortion topics. Shhhhh, don't tell anybody.

    This thread is about de-railing a bill, and the fact that abortion was used to do so is only incidental.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There is an abortion thread where it is better to discuss actual abortion topics. Shhhhh, don't tell anybody.

    This thread is about de-railing a bill, and the fact that abortion was used to do so is only incidental.
    If Rand's intent was to derail the bill, then good.

    People should not be living in flood zones, and if they choose to their insurance should not be subsidized by the rest of us smart enough to know better.
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    Re: Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    So you think it is OK to punish the woman for something that was done to her?

    Funny that whole 'don't punish the relatives' thing somehow doesn't include the female victim of the crime in your opinion.
    Pregnancy is not a punishment. Death however is a punishment.


    There ain't no "baby in the womb" until about six months of pregnancy in my opinion and until it takes its first breaths it is not entitled to the same legal protections as the female person who is carrying the foetus. IMO

    That is merely your opinion.

    The purpose of "Pro-choice" is to allow the one living breathing human in each case to make her own decision. Funny how the right is all for the freedom of the individual until it isn't.
    Your freedom ends when you seek the terminate the life of an innocent person.
    "Pro-life" is a misnomer, it should really be ANTI Abortion for in too many instances,
    Pro-choice is a misnomer, It really should be just pro-abortion. You people are not pro-choice when it comes to the right to keep and bear arms without any infringements,use vouchers to send kids to private school, become a pubic sector employee without joining a union in a closed shop and many other things you people who call yourselves pro-choice are not pro-choice. Compared to you I am pro-choice because I support a woman's right to choose to use adequate birth control,her right to chose to not engage in recreational sex if her partner is not using adequate protection, a woman's right to choose to give the baby up for adoption once its born if she doesn't want a baby, a woman's right to choose to exercise her 2nd amendment rights without any infringements just like our founding fathers intended, a woman's right to choose to use marijuana whether or recreational use or for medical use and I support a woman's right to use school vouchers to send her kids to private school.


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    The number of deaths caused by illegal abortions pale in comparison to legalized abortion which has cause 1.37 million deaths each year in this country.
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    Re: Flood insurance bill snag: Abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Pregnancy is not a punishment. Death however is a punishment....
    forcing a woman to bring the child of her gang-rapists to term, is a punishment.

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