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    Re: Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

    Kind of hard to push for amnesty when states are proving that you can just entice illegals to leave.
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    Re: Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Didn't you know? States rights don't exist when the Fed has agendas to push.

    This is not too far from correct. I might inquire what is wrong with an agenda, or what might make any of the several state's agendas less deserving of sneering contempt than a national will? Nonetheless, if an act on the whole evidences an intent not to subject citizens to duplicative regulation there is federal preemption, or when there is express preemption or comprehensive occupation of a field. Such congressional intention can be evidenced, for example, by the expression of a desire for national uniformity.
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    Re: Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomfoolery View Post
    This is not too far from correct. I might inquire what is wrong with an agenda, or what might make any of the several state's agendas less deserving of sneering contempt than a national will? Nonetheless, if an act on the whole evidences an intent not to subject citizens to duplicative regulation there is federal preemption, or when there is express preemption or comprehensive occupation of a field. Such congressional intention can be evidenced, for example, by the expression of a desire for national uniformity.
    Bold: The governments job is not to push agenda's. It is to do what is right for the country. Pushing agenda's = personal gain. For example Obama doing what he is doing with illegals and AZ. He is just doing it to garner the hispanic vote so that he can get elected again. Obama has never stopped being in campaign mode. We don't need elected representitives constantly running a campaign. We need elected representitives that will do their job. Even if they don't like it.
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    Re: Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomfoolery View Post
    This is not too far from correct. I might inquire what is wrong with an agenda
    Depends on the agenda, and how they go about achieving it. In this instance, it's bad, because the administration is only doing it to lock down the Hispanic vote at the state of Arizona's expense.

    or what might make any of the several state's agendas less deserving of sneering contempt than a national will?
    Arizona was actually upholding federal law until the Supreme Court told them on the 25th of June that they can't. They can check legal status, but that's about it.

    Nonetheless, if an act on the whole evidences an intent not to subject citizens to duplicative regulation there is federal preemption, or when there is express preemption or comprehensive occupation of a field. Such congressional intention can be evidenced, for example, by the expression of a desire for national uniformity.
    Obama is the one going against federal law. Worse of all, it's for personal gain at the expense of others. I would say he should be ashamed, but federalists don't know what shame is.
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    Re: Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

    Since Arizona state government seems out of control and was engaged in forming their own country until the Supreme Court stepped in, I don't blame the Federal Government from cutting all ties with these folks. They are compromised as law enforcement officials when it comes to immigration. Get rid of your whacked out Governor and your racist Sheriff and maybe ties can be restored.
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    Re: Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Since Arizona state government seems out of control and was engaged in forming their own country until the Supreme Court stepped in, I don't blame the Federal Government from cutting all ties with these folks. They are compromised as law enforcement officials when it comes to immigration. Get rid of your whacked out Governor and your racist Sheriff and maybe ties can be restored.

    Do you any actual evidence of your claims or is it a waa boo hoo we don't like states and law enforcement trying to crack down on illegals so were going to make up claims of racism and other nonsense?
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    Re: Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Since Arizona state government seems out of control and was engaged in forming their own country until the Supreme Court stepped in, I don't blame the Federal Government from cutting all ties with these folks. They are compromised as law enforcement officials when it comes to immigration. Get rid of your whacked out Governor and your racist Sheriff and maybe ties can be restored.
    From your statement I think you form your opinion from sound bites.
    Glad to see that because you dislike two officials, you think the Feds should turn their backs on all US citizens living in Arizona.

    Seems ICE just helped withn the last week MCSO with illegal aliens stopped for a traffic violation. The took the illegal aliens off of MCSO hands. I would suggest you inform yourself on the illegal aliens issue a bit more.

    MCSO stop leads to feds taking custody of suspects
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    Re: Homeland Security suspends immigration agreements with Arizona police

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Since Arizona state government seems out of control and was engaged in forming their own country until the Supreme Court stepped in, I don't blame the Federal Government from cutting all ties with these folks. They are compromised as law enforcement officials when it comes to immigration. Get rid of your whacked out Governor and your racist Sheriff and maybe ties can be restored.
    They're one of the few governemnt people that have the cajones to do what needs to be done. And they must have support since the majority of people in that state continue to elect them.

    And if the government wants to "cut ties" with them and not do its job then they might as well seceede from the US. I wouldn't blame them one bit.

    Illegal aliens need to go. Period.
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