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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by centrist8491 View Post
    Anybody who makes more than $100,000 in retirement should not get SS......Mark Zuckerburg should NOT get it. ETC. ETC....
    But they should pay into it? And from what we hear, the cap should be raised also?
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    I sure would like the compromise of opting out.
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Personally, I don't think the government should be building roads.

    Even though my tax money is used to build the damn things, I am obliged to walk to work every day?


    No, because that's ****ing stupid.

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    You missed the point.

    If one wants to argue that he has no responsibility whatsoever for the fiscal deficits, then one should not partake in anything related to fiscal policy. That Rep. Paul has actively earmarked spending that contributes to deficits makes him indirectly responsible for the consequences of those expenditures.

    In terms of fiat currency, that has been in place well before Rep. Paul was elected to Congress. Paul's use of such currency is not the same thing as his earmarking. He has no alternatives over the former. If he lives and works in the U.S., he must use U.S. currency. He does have alternatives over the latter. He could vote against the spending and choose not to allocate such spending either via the earmarking process.
    the point was to belittle his supporters with anything you could drum up, regardless of how idiotic it was. your point becomes incredibly transparent when you pull out juvenile stunts like referring to him as "their prophet"

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This thread is the tired old "if you advocate for a rule change you must not use the rule or some people will mistakenly call you a hypocrite". Of all the things wrong with Paul and his positions on the issues, and people want to make an issue of this? People who do not use resources available to them, even if they advocate against the resource being available, are idiots. This is the same type of stupidity that people use against Buffett and others, and is just as stupid as those stupid arguments.

    I got no use for Ron Paul, but I have less use for stupid arguments.
    Look, when Redress is passing up an oppertunity to take a shot at Ron Paul you know its not a legitimate issue.

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Personally, I don't think the government should be building roads.

    Even though my tax money is used to build the damn things, I am obliged to walk to work every day?


    No, because that's ****ing stupid.
    I'm sorry, but taking advantage of Social Security benefits while constantly arguing that SS is a Communist, unConstitutional ponzi-scheme, is pretty darn hypocritical and inconsistent.

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I'm sorry, but taking advantage of Social Security benefits while constantly arguing that SS is a Communist, unConstitutional ponzi-scheme, is pretty darn hypocritical and inconsistent.

    Social Security IS a socialist, unconstitutional ponzi-scheme.

    If it's still around when I'm of age, despite all reason, I will have been forced to pay into it against my will by the paternalistic bastards in Washington - reportedly for my own good - my whole life, despite my being perfectly capable of making my own investment decisions, and I will certainly be wanting to get my money back.

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Social Security IS a socialist, unconstitutional ponzi-scheme.

    If it's still around when I'm of age, despite all reason, I will have been forced to pay into it against my will by the paternalistic bastards in Washington - reportedly for my own good - my whole life, despite my being perfectly capable of making my own investment decisions, and I will certainly be wanting to get my money back...
    so once you have collected every dime that you have put into it, you will refuse all further SS checks?

    if RP collects one dime past what he himself contributed, he is a total scumbag hypocrite.
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Am I the only one here that thinks he is not being hypocritical at all here? He doesn't like the system, but if he has been forced to pay into it, I find no problem with him getting the funds back when they are due to him.

    And when he talks about weening young people off of it, he isn't talking about not getting the money that is owed to them, he only means that you should plan your retirement as if social security won't be there for you, which isn't terrible advice. SS is not meant to serve as someone's main source of income during retirement.
    Apparently yes...so far from the left leaning folks you are. Of course...you (and really many others here) have a penchant for actually THINKING before discussing most topics, whereas some of the others...come on...its like pulling a string.

    The 'hypocrisy' comes up quite often. The expectation is that people should live IN the world AND not of the world. So...to the mindless whackjob liberal...the government should tax the **** out of you and against your will seize your income for programs you dont agree with and then you should just accept it and not try to reclaim YOUR income and if you do, that makes you a hypocrite. Of course the thought process is immature, childish, idiotic, etc...but hey...for some folks thinking can be painful and really...we are probably better off as a people if they are just left to spew mindless rhetoric and talking points.
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so once you have collected every dime that you have put into it, you will refuse all further SS checks?
    Every dime he put in plus the additional money he would have made investing that money himself? There are opportunity costs to having your money locked up in a government 'trust' fund for decades.

    And in any case, my understanding is that gentlemen Congressman Paul's age get Social Security checks whether they want them or not. Refusing to cash them would not help them in any meaningful fashion because they'd have to spend more money figuring out why the money wasn't being withdrawn.

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