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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    I don't see the hypocrisy of working within the system, while calling for the system to be changed. If you are forced to pay into the system, why aren't you entitled to get some money back? I love these types of arguments that some many on the left make. People attack libertarians and other economic right-wingers for using certain government-provided services. They completely ignore the fact that most of these right-wingers aren't opposed to the services themselves, just the government involvement in them. These people then point out to some libertarian driving on a public road, act like there's no such thing as crowding out, and then high-five as if they proved something. It's entertaining every time.
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthy, but he did not pay one cent over what he was required to pay.

    it is exactly the same scenario.

    If Obama gets his way, he will have to pay more taxes, but until then, he isn't going to do it on his own.

    So is Obama a hypocrite?

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I don't see the hypocrisy of working within the system, while calling for the system to be changed. If you are forced to pay into the system, why aren't you entitled to get some money back? I love these types of arguments that some many on the left make. People attack libertarians and other economic right-wingers for using certain government-provided services. They completely ignore the fact that most of these right-wingers aren't opposed to the services themselves, just the government involvement in them. These people then point out to some libertarian driving on a public road, act like there's no such thing as crowding out, and then high-five as if they proved something. It's entertaining every time.

    Of course you dont...your lean is libertarian....sorry buddy Paul is a phony just like every benefit sucking taxpayer money sucking far righter in the house...Like Paul Ryan, DeMint and Norquist...total utter phonies...I have zero respect for any of them.

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Of course you dont...your lean is libertarian....sorry buddy Paul is a phony just like every benefit sucking taxpayer money sucking far righter in the house...Like Paul Ryan, DeMint and Norquist...total utter phonies...I have zero respect for any of them.
    every human being is a phony using this idiotic method of determining it

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Of course you dont...your lean is libertarian....sorry buddy Paul is a phony just like every benefit sucking taxpayer money sucking far righter in the house...Like Paul Ryan, DeMint and Norquist...total utter phonies...I have zero respect for any of them.
    How are they sucking up taxpayer money when they are also taxpayers?
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    I can see a phony from a mile way, Ron Paul isn’t one of them.

    A good example of a phony is a person on this forum that used to claim he was conservative, until the tea party ruined it all

    Yet when you look into his post history, you see he absolutely hated Reagan too, and has never said anything truly positive about any conservatives. So all that time he was claiming to be conservative was just a game. He is a political actor. A liar. a phony.

    He is also the thread op.

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    How are they sucking up taxpayer money when they are also taxpayers?
    Go do a search...on the pay and BENEFITS and perks congressmen an women get...have you seen them cut theirs....after one term they get a pension for the REST OF THEIR LIFE and health benefits...and those suckers are going to rail against SS and medicare for people that worked 45 yrs for it and were forced to pay into it and then WHINE they need more tax cuts...lol...yeah Ok

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    What nonsense. Are you suggesting that Ron Paul should turn down money offered him, that he is legally entitled to, under current law? Perhaps you will explain why Obama does not voluntarily pay the "Clinton" FIT rate that he so vehemently asserts is "fair"? Perhaps you will explain why Buffet does not voluntarily pay the "Buffet" FIT capital gains rate that he so vehemently asserts is "fair"? Perhaps it is only logical that people will continue to obey the current law, even while suggesting that the current law be changed. Has Ron Paul EVER said that his desired SS policy changes would apply to ANY current retirees? Hmm...
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats exactly what I expected to hear from his supporters....HES A PHONY...if he meant all they yapping he does...he would have had a press conference when he came of age to collect social security and said I will only collect till I get what I paid on back...hes been collecting it for at least 12 yrs...hes full of it
    Dude, I'm not a supporter. I like the guy at times, he seems genuine, but alot of his ideas are ****ing crazy. I'd never vote for him as president because I don't agree with many of his views.

    Regardless, for the reasons I've already clearly stated, I don't think he's being a hypocrite. He thinks social security doesn't belong, but he's already paid into it so he should get what is owed to him.
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Go do a search...on the pay and BENEFITS and perks congressmen an women get...have you seen them cut theirs....after one term they get a pension for the REST OF THEIR LIFE and health benefits...and those suckers are going to rail against SS and medicare for people that worked 45 yrs for it and were forced to pay into it and then WHINE they need more tax cuts...lol...yeah Ok
    I know full well what benefits Congresspeople get. I also like how you point how people who pay into the system for decades are entitled to some of that money. I feel that as long as you have to pay into the system, you are entitled to some benefits from that system. This opposition to SS and Medicare is not based upon a callous disregard for the poor and elderly, but out of a genuine belief that the system itself needs to be changed and ordinary people would benefit from it.
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