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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by Howler63 View Post
    This bolsters my earlier point about Ron Paul not being the leader the Libertarians need to break the duopoly of the two party system.

    If you talk the talk, you must walk the walk.
    I'm on the fence about this. On the one hand, he does rail against it. It's supposed to be part of his core being, so to speak. One would think he would walk the walk.

    On the other hand, I sure as hell will take a benefit even if I disagree with it. For example, I favor repealing the home interest deduction (as part of a larger tax overhaul), but... as long as it is legal I sure as hell take it every year, and happily. So, in that sense, I'm not sure I see a contradiction.

    Then again, I'm not running for a leadership position, either.
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    I like Ron Paul, and would vote for him over Romney or President Obama, but he is being hypocritical. Remember, he's a Constitutionalist. He is not perfect. We're human.

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Another typical right libertarian who opens his mouth wide to scream about all the injustices of living in a society such as ours but more than eager and willing to partake and enjoy the benefits of the same.

    Ron Paul is scum.
    Totally unlike those in your state that cry about the injustices and rasicm around them and have their hand out for ever more Fed giveaways.

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    I bristle that you guys never did anything to make it solvent and now want us to figure it out and pay for it.
    We the payees had nothing to do with making it solvent or unsolvent...see all we did was go to work everyday and pay our social security on every payday and we had no choice...IT WAS LAW AND MANDATORY...aside from that both republicans and democrats robbed the social security fund year after year and put that money in the general fund so they could squander it....the people that WERE FORCED to pay into social secuirty for 40 plus years are VICTIMS not lazy no good bums with their hands out...thats just a a far right BS story to get the rich another big tax cut and make us pay for it

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    I think it's very easy to attack SS when you're receiving it but what about those like myself who are currently paying into it and would be affected if it were to be done away with. What then? Sorry but you paid into SS for nothing? Piss off.
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think it's very easy to attack SS when you're receiving it but what about those like myself who are currently paying into it and would be affected if it were to be done away with. What then? Sorry but you paid into SS for nothing? Piss off.
    I dont know of too many serious minded people that believe it should just outright be eliminated and people that have paid into it are just SOL. That doesnt mean there should be SERIOUS reform and revision. Unfortunately both major political parties care far less about ensuring the system is secure and improved than they do about using it to garner votes.

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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think it's very easy to attack SS when you're receiving it but what about those like myself who are currently paying into it and would be affected if it were to be done away with. What then? Sorry but you paid into SS for nothing? Piss off.
    This is simple Hatuey, the corporate interests went on a 20 yr attack starting with Reagan on Private Sector pensions, because wall street could not control that money. They conned america into believeing 401ks were better for them. At first employers graciously matched dollar for dollar what you put into your 401k to GET YOU TO CONVERT and give up your guaranteed pension, most contribute NOTHING now. Then wall street had access to BILLIONS of dollars to manipulate and steal that they didnt have before..and the stock market soared. The last bastions of money wall street cannot control is public employee pensions and SS funds...THEY WANT IT...they want to convert SS into guess what ? privated invested saving s accts so WALL STREET can manipulate that money....now further
    When private sector pensions were guaranteed under law if you worked for years for a company you knew at the end of your career you were getting this amount of money...it was guaranteed you could depend on it at 65...with 401ks is your company screws you ...you get nothing WORLDCOM and ENRON for just a couple thousands upon thousands of employeses many already retired LOST THIER PENSIONS and had NOTHING...70 yr olds lost their 401k income. If you ready to retire at 65 like right now you lost a FORTUNE on your 401ks...you cant determine when to turn 65 so you can retire with your 401k intact.

    They just BS america and when you tell these supposed conservative genius' on political forums...they call you names and make excuses for the con job...their favorite line is YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ECONOMICS..like they do right ? rofl....then why arent they on wall street making gadzillions pfffffffffffft....Any of these rich and corporate jock supporters that arent making over 250k or more...are slicing their own throats...
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Totally unlike those in your state that cry about the injustices and rasicm around them and have their hand out for ever more Fed giveaways.
    Instead of making some vague and nameless accusations, perhaps you could be more specific and put some actual names and actions with your allegations.
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont know of too many serious minded people that believe it should just outright be eliminated and people that have paid into it are just SOL. That doesnt mean there should be SERIOUS reform and revision. Unfortunately both major political parties care far less about ensuring the system is secure and improved than they do about using it to garner votes.
    And what in your opinion would constitute SERIOUS reform and revision of Social Security?
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    Re: Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitut

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And what in your opinion would constitute SERIOUS reform and revision of Social Security?
    Serious reform to the far right is to reform social security and medicare anyway wall street can get control of the money and manipulate for more profit at our expense of course...theyve already done that successfully to the private sector.
    I find it amazing that everytime wall street, the corporate interests and the rich want something MORE from us...its always under the pretenses...We cant afford to give to you anymore but we can afford to take and give ourselves another tax cut...Or YOU WILL BENEFIT SO MUCH BY LOSING YOUR GUARANTEEs and trusting us with your money...were the experts...and it will all trickle down on you...only after I give it an extra shake or two at the commode...pffffffffffffffffffft

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