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    The Victims of Voter ID Laws



    Last year, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker passed a law requiring citizens to show identification at the polls. While two state judges have blocked the law from going into effect, if the injunction is lifted the law would likely disenfranchise thousands of voters. The Center for American Progress visited the state during the contentious recall election to investigate.


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    .0007% (.007% cant remember which one). Wow.. These type of laws might do more harm than good!

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    Re: The Victims of Voter ID Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    The only people who would be disenfranchised are illegals and those too stupid to go down to the DMV and get a ID.A ID is cheap and is required for getting a job,cashing a check, getting a loan, and many other things.
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    Re: The Victims of Voter ID Laws

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    Re: The Victims of Voter ID Laws

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    I can't get the video to play.
    Click the link. A lot of my videos wont format correctly for some reason.


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    Re: The Victims of Voter ID Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The only people who would be disenfranchised are illegals and those too stupid to go down to the DMV and get a ID.A ID is cheap and is required for getting a job,cashing a check, getting a loan, and many other things.
    That is true, for sure, even the libtards KNOW that. What you need to examine is WHY allowing a person to vote WITHOUT postive ID, defining not only who they are but where they live, allowing them to vote as ANYONE who they SAY that they are, and thus as many times as they can supply a name/address combination, that matches the voter registration records, is good or fair? IMHO, it is to allow the manufacturing of votes, that libtards SWEAR is not happening, to continue unchallenged. ;-)
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    Re: The Victims of Voter ID Laws

    I have been asked for a photo ID to Vote long before either State I have lived in every passed a law about, it is just common sense for the workers at a polling place to verify who you are.

    Like the video, I am sure there might be one or two with the 95 year old ladies problem, but the laws and enforcement of the are for the better good of all.

    In California 232 dead people votes in one election

    In Florida 600 dead people votes in one election

    In New york 2,600 dead people voted

    The list goes on, someone voted instead of the dead people because a photo ID was not required

    So Yes, I support have a Photo ID to vote
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    Re: The Victims of Voter ID Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Snake_Plissken View Post
    I have been asked for a photo ID to Vote long before either State I have lived in every passed a law about, it is just common sense for the workers at a polling place to verify who you are.

    Like the video, I am sure there might be one or two with the 95 year old ladies problem, but the laws and enforcement of the are for the better good of all.

    In California 232 dead people votes in one election

    In Florida 600 dead people votes in one election

    In New york 2,600 dead people voted

    The list goes on, someone voted instead of the dead people because a photo ID was not required

    So Yes, I support have a Photo ID to vote
    Can we see a cite for these particular allegations???

    Better yet, who cares??? . 600 bad datapoints out of 8,000,000 people voting (Florida, the only state on that list that matters)? You have to be joking (or worse)? Do you think any database is that accurate? This is your idea of how the government should spend its money? Let's not even discuss that 600 voters that also appeared on the rolls of the deceased must mean 600 dead people voted (the opposite is far more likely true, given the guy voted, he probably isn't dead and the other side of the record is in error...and there was a guy on the voting rolls that did not vote, because he was dead.... in otherwords, the problem is the cross-links are incorrect.) Let's not even discuss the draconian penalties for fraudulently voting, which would dissuade anyone with half a brain trying it, but no one in their right mind would try to effect the outcome of an election by encouraging ineligible voters to vote, its incredibly impractical (it is a conspiracy that involves too many people playing for too low a stake with too big a penalty). The whole thing is utter, utter nonsense and not really believed by anyone with a real brain.

    Why must we be so disingenuous? If we want to argue Fox News or MSNBC talking points, why not just post on those websites? We should all raise our standard of discourse and cut through the BS to discuss really issues; intelligently and with original points.

    Sorry, but I find it very hard to believe that any clear thinking individual actually believes there is a voter fraud problem, or believes that purging the over 100,000 persons from the voter roles of one state is a just action to remedy some 62 cases of voter fraud found nationwide over 3 years (or, if what you say is true that 600 dead people voted in Florida)

    DOJ says it will sue Florida over voting rolls purge - CNN
    States Like Florida Disenfranchise Americans in Name of 'Fraud' | Debate Club | US News Opinion

    Let's get real, Republicans do not want, nor have they every wanted broad participation in elections... it just does not favor them.

    Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote" (Goo Goo) - YouTube

    The real voter fraud problem is being perpetrated by state governments on its citizens by implementing a solution for which there is no known problem and in the process denying certain citizens their right to participate in election process. I get that each state has broad rights to set eligibility requirements...so what? Using that has an excuse to rationalize wholesale voter suppression is a rationalization.... and for intelligent people to hide behind this rationalization is disingenuous.

    Let's all get real and realize this whole thing is a political game... the Repubs like low turnout, the Dems want to register as many voters as possible. Great, both sides play this game and argue it to their advantage. Everyone on this board with an IQ north of 100 knows this. Its time to stop being a parrot for your favorite political position and have adult discussions. We ALL know the emperor has no clothes. Its the silly people on Fox and MSNBC that choose to waste their time discussing the colors of the emperor's garments.
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    Re: The Victims of Voter ID Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Can we see a cite for these particular allegations..... even without a cite, this is hardly a problem. 600 people out of 8,000,000 people voting (Florida, the only state on that list that matters) ???? you have to be kidding. Who cares? This is your idea of how the government should spend its money?
    How does requiring an a picture ID cost the government money? And why is having a picture ID only an unbearable burden when it comes to voting and not buying alcohol, or cigarettes, or boarding an airplane?

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    Re: The Victims of Voter ID Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    How does requiring an a picture ID cost the government money? And why is having a picture ID only an unbearable burden when it comes to voting and not buying alcohol, or cigarettes, or boarding an airplane?
    1) Its totally unnecessary (I thought conservatives were against unnecessary regulations) and
    2) boarding a plane, buying alcohol and buying cigarettes are privileges; voting is a right. You do not put barriers in front of rights, certainly not without due cause... which has never been even remotely demonstrated.

    Again, this is a political ploy. Anyone that "thinks" otherwise is most likely being disingenuous.

    BTW... my arguments about 'cost" had nothing to do with the requirement of the ID, but has everything to do with the all of the superfluous debate on the issue and the various initiatives to cull voter rolls and the legal costs of defending the actions do so.... its all much (including $$$) about nothing (except that we all know really what it is about, and its time for intelligent people on this site to stop being shills for this nonsense).
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    Re: The Victims of Voter ID Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    1) Its totally unnecessary (I thought conservatives were against unnecessary regulations)
    ??? Unnecessary??? Requiring proof that you are who you say you are at a voting booth is unnecessary???
    2) boarding a plane, buying alcohol and buying cigarettes are privileges; voting is a right.
    Explain how you have determined this.

    Again, this is a political ploy. Anyone that "thinks" otherwise is most likely being disingenuous.
    Now this I agree with. It is a political ploy, except it is the left that is engaged in it. Requiring an ID at a voting booth is completely rational. The only logical reason to oppose it is because you know it will limit your sides ability to cheat.

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