The Victims of Voter ID Laws

Jerry said:

I present perspective.

Look at the madness NYC requires to exercise one specifically enumerated constitutionally protected right, and compare that to our request that you simply flash your ID at the door when you go to exercise another.

I've already modified the same PDF for later use in an abortion thread.

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Oh, I agree 100% that the left is not about "fairness" or the least bit concrened about "the poor" or minorities, it would otherwise protest ALL laws that required a state issued photo ID, as they must ALL be equally a "discriminatory burden". The left is scared to death that manufacturing votes is not going to remain a viable election winning tactic. I cannot understand why the public accepts these CCW permit laws, or the Texas law that completely outlaws open handgun carry even WITH a CCW permit. The 2nd amendment is gone, yet the SCOTUS does not seem inclined to bring it back.

I cannot agree with this premise, as I cannot see how this requirement victimizes anyone.

Paschendale said:

Really, you had to show an ID when applying for a job? I've never had to. And I mean jobs in the legal field. Where there's millions of dollars at stake, not just burned fries. What jobs did you have to show an ID to apply for?

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Every job I have had has required that I have a ID/driver's license. They usually require it along with my SS card and birth certificate. What job are you working at where your employer did not require that you submit your ID/driver's license when you applied?

Fletch said:

Explain how you have determined this.

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upsideguy is right regarding the fact that voting is a right.So this idea that voting is not a right is nonsense. That said it is a right that you can impose restrictions on which is why the below amendments state what you may not use to deny a citizen their right to vote.



Suffrage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the United States, suffrage is determined by the separate states, not federally (Wyoming being the first state to instill suffrage). However, the "right to vote" is expressly mentioned in five Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. These five Amendments limit the basis upon which the right to vote may be abridged or denied

14th Amendment (1868): Regarding apportionment of Representatives.

15th Amendment (1870): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

19th Amendment (1920): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

23rd Amendment (1961): provides that residents of the District of Columbia can vote for the President and Vice-President.

24th Amendment (1964): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

26th Amendment (1971): "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."

Paschendale said:

Really, you had to show an ID when applying for a job? I've never had to.

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Then you've never had a job.

Hiring Employees

Of course the OP is incorrect. It has been shown time and time again, nobody that wants to vote would be disenfranchised.

What is funny is people that deny voter fraud occurs, or that say it has zero effect on the outcome of elections. Look at all of history and voting, it is full of fraud, and we are no so special that it does not happen here.

OpportunityCost said:

Karl said:

[...] a school photo ID plus a Social Security card [...] is insufficient in:
* Georgia, [...]

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Are you ****ing daft?
From your own source under acceptable forms of ID under new legislation:
GEORGIA

Georgia driver’s license, even if expired
ID card issued by the state of Georgia or the federal government
Free voter ID card issued by the state or county
U.S. passport
Valid employee ID card containing a photograph from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state
Valid U.S. military identification card
Valid tribal photo ID

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Karl said:

* Indiana, [...]

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INDIANA

Specific forms of ID are not listed in statute. ID must be issued by the state of Indiana or the U.S. government and must show the following:
Name of individual to whom it was issued, which must conform to the individual's registration record
Photo of the person to whom it was issued
Expiration date (if it is expired, it must have an expiration date after the most recent general election; military IDs are exempted from the requirement that ID bear an expiration date)
Must be issued by the United States or the state of Indiana

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Obviously you are addressing the wrong person. With respect to Georgia, if you want to argue that a Social Security card is an ID card, I suggest you confirm that with the state of Georgia. You are wrong about all the other states as well, not shown here for brevity, since they all require a gov't issued photo ID card (which a student photo ID, or a Social Security card, is not).

Jerry said:

Then you've never had a job.

Hiring Employees

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Maybe he works under the table, is an illegal alien or maybe he has had the same job before 1986 and his employer just forget to ask him to submit a ID.

Karl said:

Obviously you are addressing the wrong person. With respect to Georgia, if you want to argue that a Social Security card is an ID card, I suggest you confirm that with the state of Georgia. You are wrong about all the other states as well, not shown here for brevity, since they all require a gov't issued photo ID card (which a student photo ID, or a Social Security card, is not).

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I think you might want to check who the issuing agency is for university ID cards. If its a state agency, then it qualifies as a state issued ID card. Some are, some aren't.
Secretary of State : Election Division: Photo ID Law

A student ID from an Indiana State school may only be used if it meets all of the 4 criteria specified above. A student ID from a private institution may not be used for voting purposes. For more Information for College Students click here.

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Criteria as follows:

1. Display your photo

2. Display your name, and the name must conform to your voter registration record. Conform does not mean identical. Below are examples of names that would conform to "Robert John Crew"

■Robert John Crew
■Robert J. Crew
■Robert Crew
■R. John Crew
■R. J. Crew

■Bob John Crew
■Bob J. Crew
■Bob Crew
■John Crew
■J. Crew


3. Display an expiration date and either be current or have expired sometime after the date of the last General Election (November 2, 2010)

■NOTE: An ID issued by the US Department of Defense, a branch of the uniformed services, the Merchant Marine, or the Indiana National Guard is not required to have an expiration date, or may state that the document has an "Indefinite" expiration date.


4. Be issued by the State of Indiana or the U.S. government

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