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New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

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one of the more idiotic Laws ever.
 
Connery said:
I am with you Mya....:mrgreen:

There was no need for this is the 4th Amendment was followed to begin with.
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My position exactly. Well, that and it's sad that a law affirming the 4th needed to be passed to begin with.
 
Mya said:
one of the more idiotic Laws ever.
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It's not idiotic IMHO. Hopefully no one will take it upon themselves to do something stupid behind the law, but then again they would have probably engaged without it anyway, but if a person is aquitted due to a proper shoot it will have served it's purpose. Again, hopefully better judgement will prevail.
 
LaMidRighter said:
It's not idiotic IMHO. Hopefully no one will take it upon themselves to do something stupid behind the law, but then again they would have probably engaged without it anyway, but if a person is aquitted due to a proper shoot it will have served it's purpose. Again, hopefully better judgement will prevail.
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Totally idiotic.

What happens under this Law if a wanted criminal seeks refuge inside his house and will not come out to the waiting Police , who for some reason may have not permission to enter the house but feel it necessary to do so?


Totally idiotic Law.
 
Mya said:
Totally idiotic.

What happens under this Law if a wanted criminal seeks refuge inside his house and will not come out to the waiting Police , who for some reason may have not permission to enter the house but feel it necessary to do so?


Totally idiotic Law.
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Shoot the thug.
 
Mya said:
Totally idiotic.

What happens under this Law if a wanted criminal seeks refuge inside his house and will not come out to the waiting Police , who for some reason may have not permission to enter the house but feel it necessary to do so?


Totally idiotic Law.
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The wanted criminal would have no legal rights in that scenario, the whole point of the protections in that law are based upon the police doing their legal duties within their authority. Any probable cause they would have to enter would protect them and invalidate a defense. Fugitives, breach under warrant, crime in progress, and viewable violations of law would not be protected.
 
LaMidRighter said:
The wanted criminal would have no legal rights in that scenario, the whole point of the protections in that law are based upon the police doing their legal duties within their authority. Any probable cause they would have to enter would protect them and invalidate a defense. Fugitives, breach under warrant, crime in progress, and viewable violations of law would not be protected.
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If some punk is running from the cops and tried to seek refuge in my home, 1. I'm going to kill him, 2. I want the cops there asap because I have a criminal in my home, and 3. the punk should want the cops there asap also because I'm going to kill him.

I'm not going to shoot the cops. I'm going to open the door, flag the cops down and serve them coffee while we wait for the coroner.
 
Jerry said:
If some punk is running from the cops and tried to seek refuge in my home, 1. I'm going to kill him, 2. I want the cops there asap because I have a criminal in my home, and 3. the punk should want the cops there asap also because I'm going to kill him.

I'm not going to shoot the cops. I'm going to open the door, flag the cops down and serve them coffee while we wait for the coroner.
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Absolutely. As a matter of fact they would ask for the weapon to be turned over for examination, I have no problem with that, I'll have it unchambered with magazines out and on the table for collection. I just want it back when I'm cleared for eliminating the scumbag.
 
Jerry said:
If some punk is running from the cops and tried to seek refuge in my home, 1. I'm going to kill him, 2. I want the cops there asap because I have a criminal in my home, and 3. the punk should want the cops there asap also because I'm going to kill him.

I'm not going to shoot the cops. I'm going to open the door, flag the cops down and serve them coffee while we wait for the coroner.
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But this new Law say that residents can shoot police

so what is your position here? are you against it or not
 
Connery said:
I am with you Mya....:mrgreen:

There was no need for this is the 4th Amendment was followed to begin with.
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Don't see the problem with a law the reaffirms an Amendment.
 
Mya said:
Shot him dead.

No question asked.
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True story, one I've told on this forum before:

On or about March 2006, SD, I was being the good Mr. Mom collage student, watching our son while my wife was at work. A group of young men beat someone to death in a parking lot near my apartment. Unaware of the assault at the time, I went upstairs to put my son's laundry away, and just outside my son's bedroom window I see some punk frantically trying to open the window to enter. The window was right above my son's crib where my son was sleeping.

In a surprisingly calm state, I drew my Glock, went right up to the window, put it in the punk's face, finger on the trigger, and said "wrong house".

The punk's face went white, he jumped down (didn't climb down, he jumped), and the cops caught him as he ran across the playground.

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If a cop saw him trying to enter my home and had, say, smashed a window to get in....the very LAST thing on my mind is shooting the cop. Cops are the good guys. If anything, had a cop entered my home, I would have grabbed my son and let the cop deal with the punk.
 
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Mya said:
But this new Law say that residents can shoot police

so what is your position here? are you against it or not
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The only thing the law does is protect someone in court if that happens during an illegal police action and self defense is required. It doesn't mean that someone can just pop off and kill an officer, if that were the case I would be in absolute agreement with you.

cpgrad08 said:
Don't see the problem with a law the reaffirms an Amendment.
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The only problem I see is that a law needed to pass to reaffirm what is already there. That makes me concerned about where the legal system is, a red flag if you will.
 
Jerry said:
True story, one I've told on this forum before:

On or about March 2006, SD, I was being the good Mr. Mom collage student, watching our son while my wife was at work. A group of young men beat someone to death in a parking lot near my apartment. I didn't see the assault but I saw the body before the ambulance arrived. I went upstairs to put my son's laundry away, and just outside my son's bedroom window I see some punk frantically trying to open the window to enter. The window was right above my son's crib.

In a surprisingly calm state, I drew my Glock 36, went right up to the window, put it in the punk's face, finger on the trigger, and said "wrong house".

The punk's face went white, he jumped down (didn't climb down, he jumped), and the cops caught him as he ran across the playground.

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If a cop saw him trying to enter my home and had, say, smashed a window to get in....the very LAST thing on my mind is shooting the cop.
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Cool. :)


Do you agree with new Indiana Law or not.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Absolutely. As a matter of fact they would ask for the weapon to be turned over for examination, I have no problem with that, I'll have it unchambered with magazines out and on the table for collection. I just want it back when I'm cleared for eliminating the scumbag.
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Absolutely. Police can always expect my full cooperation.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I remember a story of a ninety something year old lady with severe impediments was shot dead a few years back because the police did a "no-knock" breach of her property, I don't remember all the details but the police just kicked in, she was startled, grabbed her gun, and they shot.
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How would the new law change the outcome?
 
Hikertrash said:
How would the new law change the outcome?
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The outcome isn't going to change, what does change is the court defense if the person at home was legitimately in fear for their lives and the police didn't have a legal right to be in the house. Criminals would have no defense nor would suspects under this law.
 
Mya said:
:thumbs: now we understand each other!
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I would have to be pushed very, very far in order to ever draw a gun on a cop. I can't even express the dire circumstances that would have to exist.

I think your average gun owner is a reasonable person, and I think that if anyone came here and started spouting off about rights and big government, that they're just playing silly debate games and venting their daily frustrations though this thread. 99% of the time people just say things to either feel better or to get a rise out of you. No law-abiding citizen is going to shoot a cop for sticking their head in a car window, or for trespassing. I think your typical gun owner is like me and would even knowingly allow a cop to commit some level of crime against them and then call their lawyer afterwords, instead of pull a gun on the cop at the time, even if the citizen were well within their rights to do so.

The other side of that coin is the rare bad apple who abuses his authority as a police officer to commit crime. This is an extreme minority among police, and even among those rare few who would ever abuse their authority, fewer actually do, and of those, fewer still do anything which would warrant lethal force. I would be very surprised if this law applies to even 1 incident in the next 10 years.
 
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Jerry said:
I would have to be pushed very, very far in order to ever draw a gun on a cop. I can't even express the dire circumstances that would have to exist.

I think your average gun owner is a reasonable person, and I think that if anyone came here and started spouting off about rights and big government, that they're just playing silly debate games and venting their daily frustrations though this thread. 99% of the time people just say things to either feel better or to get a rise out of you. No law-abiding citizen is going to shoot a cop for sticking their head in a car window, or for trespassing. I think your typical gun owner is like me and would even knowingly allow a cop to commit some level of crime against them and then call their lawyer afterwords, instead of pull a gun on the cop at the time, even if the citizen were well within their rights to do so.

The other side of that coin is the rare bad apple who abuses his authority as a police officer to commit crime. This is an extreme minority among police, and even among those rare few who would ever abuse their authority, fewer actually do, and of those, fewer still do anything which would warrant lethal force. I would be very surprised if this law applies to even 1 incident in the next 10 years.
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I will expand on this. I wouldn't even be tempted to shoot an officer for simply trying to look into my vehicle, however there are things I expect. I want to know why I was pulled over, speeding, illegal lane change, etc. fine, if I am in a high crime area and the officer wants to ask questions, fine, if he asks to look inside my vehicle no problem. I do not have any respect for an officer that doesn't have the basic courtesy to explain the situation and then starts demanding I do things like allow him to search, I will not cooperate, and anything that happens(I probably won't pull) will be between the attorney representing me in a lawsuit and the police department, I will likely only ask for the officers job.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I will expand on this. I wouldn't even be tempted to shoot an officer for simply trying to look into my vehicle, however there are things I expect. I want to know why I was pulled over, speeding, illegal lane change, etc. fine, if I am in a high crime area and the officer wants to ask questions, fine, if he asks to look inside my vehicle no problem. I do not have any respect for an officer that doesn't have the basic courtesy to explain the situation and then starts demanding I do things like allow him to search, I will not cooperate, and anything that happens(I probably won't pull) will be between the attorney representing me in a lawsuit and the police department, I will likely only ask for the officers job.
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I completely agree. There are to many loud-mouthed pro-gun radicals out there that will give the casual reader the impression that your typical, average gun owner wants to kill a cop any time they step out of line however slight.

If a citizen is actually being wronged by a cop (which can happen from time to time, and is why cops have wrongful arrest insurance), there's a process to deal with it. A citizen has the right to request the cop's supervisor at the scene, to be told why they were pulled over, to check badge numbers, etc. As you said, getting your lawyer is going to be the appropriate coarse of action.

But lethal force? That's a whole different animal.
 
Jerry said:
I completely agree. There are to many loud-mouthed pro-gun radicals out there that will give the casual reader the impression that your typical, average gun owner wants to kill a cop any time they step out of line however slight.

If a citizen is actually being wronged by a cop (which can happen from time to time, and is why cops have wrongful arrest insurance), there's a process to deal with it. A citizen has the right to request the cop's supervisor at the scene, to be told why they were pulled over, to check badge numbers, etc. As you said, getting your lawyer is going to be the appropriate coarse of action.

But lethal force? That's a whole different animal.
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I think the only way I would pull is if the officer's actions made it clear that my life or safety depended on complying with unreasonable and illegal demands. I'm not a gun owner to shoot people just for being assholes though, if that were the case I'd have been in prison long ago.
 
Mya said:
They must be joking in Indiana :roll:


“Indiana has become the first state to legally allow residents to shoot at police if they feel their property is being illegally breached by an officer.”



New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police - National Coast to Coast Radio | Examiner.com
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I think the key word here is "illegal breach". Seems to me the police should take the time, if they're told by the occupants they have the wrong address, to verifiy their data.
 
TurtleDude said:
since I have defended a major league police department-yes sometimes the "mistakes" are intentional.
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Doesnt get bigger than mine and IVE NEVER heard of a raid on the wrong place being carried out INTENTIONALLY
 
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