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New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

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Mya said:
They must be joking in Indiana :roll:


“Indiana has become the first state to legally allow residents to shoot at police if they feel their property is being illegally breached by an officer.”



New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police - National Coast to Coast Radio | Examiner.com
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I read about this...I just blurted out laughing...I was thinking about how many citizens were going to call 911 that there was a robbery in thier house in progress or a home invasion and the police come 50 minutes later and stay at the curb with a bullhorn yelling for permission to come onto their property....politicians have gone nuts in this country
 
Lokiate said:
Good, **** 'em. They get a badge, and they think they're god, so hopefully this will put them in their place. A cop is no different than any other citizen.
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ROFLMAOoooooooooooooooooo...ok your right of course lol
 
Mya said:
They must be joking in Indiana :roll:


“Indiana has become the first state to legally allow residents to shoot at police if they feel their property is being illegally breached by an officer.”



New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police - National Coast to Coast Radio | Examiner.com
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there have been dozens of cases where the police have raided the wrong dwellings when they misread addresses on warrants. In one case, the police started breaking down a door late at night before announcing they were cops. The startled homeowner appeared with a weapon since there were numerous home invasion robberies at the time and was shot by the cops. It was about a 5 million dollar mistake the tax payers had to pay.

If some cop breaks into your home in the middle of the night without proper authority you should kill him if he threatens you
 
better a dead cop who made a mistake than a dead citizen who was blameless
 
It has to be an illegal breach of property though. I see no issue here, if police are called to the scene, or if they have a legal right to enter then there is no property owner protection. This seems to be logical, if the police try a warrantless breach upon property by just rushing in and kicking the door down, or otherwise tries coercion then they are not legally protected in their actions, but are armed. Police through being armed during a illegal breach(the key phrase) are a direct threat so should have no more protection than any other intruder.

One word of caution, the property owner had better make DAMN sure they are within their rights and the police action isn't protected otherwise they face very serious charges. In La. it is legal BTW to resist an unlawful arrest using force, deadly force isn't directly codified though.
 
TurtleDude said:
there have been dozens of cases where the police have raided the wrong dwellings when they misread addresses on warrants. In one case, the police started breaking down a door late at night before announcing they were cops. The startled homeowner appeared with a weapon since there were numerous home invasion robberies at the time and was shot by the cops. It was about a 5 million dollar mistake the tax payers had to pay.

If some cop breaks into your home in the middle of the night without proper authority you should kill him if he threatens you
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I remember a story of a ninety something year old lady with severe impediments was shot dead a few years back because the police did a "no-knock" breach of her property, I don't remember all the details but the police just kicked in, she was startled, grabbed her gun, and they shot.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I remember a story of a ninety something year old lady with severe impediments was shot dead a few years back because the police did a "no-knock" breach of her property, I don't remember all the details but the police just kicked in, she was startled, grabbed her gun, and they shot.
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ever hear my favorite one about the BATF storm troopers (yeah this case is what called Congressman Dingell-D Mich to call them jackbooted thugs) raided some guy's house who had a legitimate and licensed class three gun collection. They stomped the guy's cat to death, cut open the safe and left the front door open with the safe exposed when they left

BTW The weaver case was a classic case where the citizen (Keven Harris) was found to justifiably killed an agent and since the Davidians were acquitted of murder-that too
 
TurtleDude said:
ever hear my favorite one about the BATF storm troopers (yeah this case is what called Congressman Dingell-D Mich to call them jackbooted thugs) raided some guy's house who had a legitimate and licensed class three gun collection. They stomped the guy's cat to death, cut open the safe and left the front door open with the safe exposed when they left
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Don't think I've heard that one. Not surprised though, some of the federals have a severe Judge Dredd complex.

BTW The weaver case was a classic case where the citizen (Keven Harris) was found to justifiably killed an agent and since the Davidians were acquitted of murder-that too
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Somewhat familiar with the case, to me any authority figure is protected while justifiably upholding the law, once they are outside of it they get no more protection than any other assailant.
 
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Lokiate said:
Good, **** 'em. They get a badge, and they think they're god, so hopefully this will put them in their place. A cop is no different than any other citizen.
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They are not the same as any other citizen, the law provides them with certain privileges that allow them to do things which are otherwise illegal for other citizens, for example to make an arrest or to enter into a high speed chase without being charged with reckless driving themselves. Its similar to laws which grant Soldiers the ability to do certain things that other citizens cannot do, for example fight and kill in nation's wars.

Of course, cops still must have within the boundaries of the law but they are treated slightly differently.
 
TurtleDude said:
there have been dozens of cases where the police have raided the wrong dwellings when they misread addresses on warrants. In one case, the police started breaking down a door late at night before announcing they were cops. The startled homeowner appeared with a weapon since there were numerous home invasion robberies at the time and was shot by the cops. It was about a 5 million dollar mistake the tax payers had to pay.

If some cop breaks into your home in the middle of the night without proper authority you should kill him if he threatens you
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Sure theres been mistakes...I was on a raid where we were sent to the wrong address...thankfully no one got hurt and we didnt even bust down the door just as we were getting into position to hammer it...it opens and theres a teenage girl with her mouth open to the floor frozen..
The few mistakes that are made are no reason to assure the cops arent going to respond to you calling for help, with a asinine law like that.
 
TurtleDude said:
ever hear my favorite one about the BATF storm troopers (yeah this case is what called Congressman Dingell-D Mich to call them jackbooted thugs) raided some guy's house who had a legitimate and licensed class three gun collection. They stomped the guy's cat to death, cut open the safe and left the front door open with the safe exposed when they left

BTW The weaver case was a classic case where the citizen (Keven Harris) was found to justifiably killed an agent and since the Davidians were acquitted of murder-that too
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And he's right. Come over here to Baytown, and you'll see the same **** every day. Cops pushing people around, ****ing with traffic by playing with the stupid lights on their stupid cars. Total abuse of power, and complete waste of local tax dollars. Cops are out of control, they think they're above everyone else, even the law itself, and something has be done about it. Knocking them down a peg with laws like this, imo, is the best solution.Take away the immunities that build their megalomaniacal delusions, and they'll realize real quick that they're nobodies, just like the rest of us "regular ****s". We started a revolution over far less.
 
lpast said:
Sure theres been mistakes...I was on a raid where we were sent to the wrong address...thankfully no one got hurt and we didnt even bust down the door just as we were getting into position to hammer it...it opens and theres a teenage girl with her mouth open to the floor frozen..
The few mistakes that are made are no reason to assure the cops arent going to respond to you calling for help, with a asinine law like that.
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I noted merely that if a cop breaks into your home due to mistake, stupidity or malice and threatens you with death, you ought to kill him and take your chances in court rather than get shot to death. If the cops had the wrong house or a bad warrant, its gonna be hard for the cops to prosecute someone who shoots someone breaking into their home in the middle of the night
 
lpast said:
Heres one report...lol...out of hundreds of thousands of answered 911 calls ...the mistakes are incredibly minimal...but they get lots of hay in the media....Do you people really believe that cops made those mistakes intentionally...sheesh
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since I have defended a major league police department-yes sometimes the "mistakes" are intentional.
 
Wiseone said:
They are not the same as any other citizen, the law provides them with certain privileges that allow them to do things which are otherwise illegal for other citizens, for example to make an arrest
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Any citizen can make an arrest, they just have to hold for police to process. That is not a special priveledge, even for the operations of surveillence, evidence gathering, or detainment officers still have laws they must follow, such as obtaining a warrant unless there is a compelling reason to act or if a crime is within plain view.
or to enter into a high speed chase without being charged with reckless driving themselves.
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Many places have an emergency maximum speed, and these speeds are only allowed under specific circumstances. However, in an emergency most civilian use of speed is dismissed in a court of law. It's not a truly special authority power.
Its similar to laws which grant Soldiers the ability to do certain things that other citizens cannot do, for example fight and kill in nation's wars.

Of course, cops still must have within the boundaries of the law but they are treated slightly differently.
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Police have a slightly larger scope of protection, but only when their authority is not exceeded.
 
Seriously guys...bash cops all you want, doesnt bother me in the least really, Ive been retired a long time and ive been through the ups and downs and Ive been through all the arguments about how ALL cops suck and ALL cops abuse power and la dee dah dee dah...and you cant tell people with that mentality to go research how many 911 calls there are in one year...how m any arrests are made in one year, how many people saved in one year and crimes prevented, then count the mistakes and abuses of power and excessive use of force...and they would be so minimal compared to the whole picture you would be shocked...but you read 2, 3, 5, 10 stories all blown out of proportion and conclude cops suck...most cops that you read about that are ACCUSED or abuses...never get convicted by jury trials

So have at it..lol
 
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TurtleDude said:
ever hear my favorite one about the BATF storm troopers (yeah this case is what called Congressman Dingell-D Mich to call them jackbooted thugs) raided some guy's house who had a legitimate and licensed class three gun collection. They stomped the guy's cat to death, cut open the safe and left the front door open with the safe exposed when they left

BTW The weaver case was a classic case where the citizen (Keven Harris) was found to justifiably killed an agent and since the Davidians were acquitted of murder-that too
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Don't get me started on the Weaver thing. That was murder by ATF agents and we all lost alot of freedom that day, not to mention the BS way they entrapped him into breaking a law in the first place so they could go kill him for nothing more than his politics.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Don't get me started on the Weaver thing. That was murder by ATF agents and we all lost alot of freedom that day, not to mention thje BS way they entrapped him into breaking a law in the first place so they could go kill him for nothing more than his politics.
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in all fairness the murders were committed first by USMS deputies (DM shot sammy in the back) and FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi. Larry Potts should have been hung for giving the illegal orders to shoot unarmed people
 
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