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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Why does this need to be put into law? Are cops just randomly breaking into people's houses or something? I find it ridiculous that we wasted money trying to codify every possible scenario no matter how rare its occurrence may be. Sure, people should have the right to defend themselves against unlawful entries even by police, however how often does that happen that a law needs to be made in order to make sure legal protections are given to citizens in such cases? It would seem that common sense from a judge would be enough to assess whether a citizen acted with a demeanour that wasn't malum in se.
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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why does this need to be put into law? Are cops just randomly breaking into people's houses or something? I find it ridiculous that we wasted money trying to codify every possible scenario no matter how rare its occurrence may be. Sure, people should have the right to defend themselves against unlawful entries even by police, however how often does that happen that a law needs to be made in order to make sure legal protections are given to citizens in such cases? It would seem that common sense from a judge would be enough to assess whether a citizen acted with a demeanour that wasn't malum in se.
    This is the new far right ideal...attack everything conventional so we can have total rule...see get rid of the police then the strong can prey untethered on the weak....the rich on the poor...thats why the rich hate any regulations it interferes with their raping the public

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Terrorists don't wear uniforms.

    In fact, terrorists don't wear identifying clothing of any kind, apart from the light-blue burka.

    Terrorists look just like everyone else.
    so terrorists are not able to purchase a uniform to disquise themselves or just haven't thought of that yet? seems to me that would be a GREAT NEW INVENTION of the terrorists then except they did it in dirty harry many years ago so it wouldn't be new. instead of just looking like everyone else they can now look like the leo's and get away with murder.

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    so terrorists are not able to purchase a uniform to disquise themselves or just haven't thought of that yet?
    Well if that's your conspiracy theory, then you should know that whatever a swat team were to change their uniform to, a terrorist group could still buy from uscav, rangerjoes, gallsinc, acuarmy, or any military outfitter.

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    seems to me that would be a GREAT NEW INVENTION of the terrorists then except they did it in dirty harry many years ago so it wouldn't be new. instead of just looking like everyone else they can now look like the leo's and get away with murder.
    You, personally, can buy any police uniform right now with a credit card. Any uniform. Whatever a swat team were to change their uniform to, any criminal group could still imitate.

    Terrorists don't wear uniforms, that's why the Geneva convention doesn't apply to them. They don't carry their weapons openly, have an established command structure (they operate in cells) and they don't comply to "the norms of war", preferring gurrila tactics instead.
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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well if that's your conspiracy theory, then you should know that whatever a swat team were to change their uniform to, a terrorist group could still buy from uscav, rangerjoes, gallsinc, acuarmy, or any military outfitter.



    You, personally, can buy any police uniform right now with a credit card. Any uniform. Whatever a swat team were to change their uniform to, any criminal group could still imitate.

    Terrorists don't wear uniforms, that's why the Geneva convention doesn't apply to them. They don't carry their weapons openly, have an established command structure (they operate in cells) and they don't comply to "the norms of war", preferring gurrila tactics instead.
    THAT is why I said I need to see a warrant and NOT a uniform, a uniform dosen't tell ME it's an leo who is illegaly busting down my door at 3am. Someone illegally busting down my door at 3am is going to get shot weather they are in uniform or not. I'll ask questions later if I survive. I do realize warrant's can be faked but someone presenting a warrant instead of illeagly busting down my door might stop the bullets from flying.
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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    They must be joking in Indiana


    “Indiana has become the first state to legally allow residents to shoot at police if they feel their property is being illegally breached by an officer.”



    New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police - National Coast to Coast Radio | Examiner.com
    A while back here where I live, the police raided a home. They broke down the door and ran in like storm troopers. It turned out they had the wrong home and they actually killed the resident when the door they knocked down slammed into him. I'll bet he wishes he could have shot the bastards; a dead man, dead for no good reason other than the stupidity of public sector employees.

    Police serve an important function, but in the end they are just government workers, and a lot of tham are arrogent a$$holes. They are no better than anyone else.
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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by proud2Bcatholic View Post
    A while back here where I live, the police raided a home. They broke down the door and ran in like storm troopers. It turned out they had the wrong home and the actually killed the resident when the door they knocked down slammed into him. I'll bet he wishes he could have shot the bastards; a dead man, dead for no good reason other than the stupidity of public sector employees.

    Police serve an important function, but in the end they are just government workers, and a lot of tham are arrogent a$$holes. They are no better than anyone else.
    this is why the police surround the house and VERY carefully approach the house with a warrant and inform anyone inside (BEFORE they bust down the door) that they have no hope of escape or any way of winning a fight with them and they should just open the door before it gets busted down. i do agree with you in that i have encountered many of those arrogent a$$holes you speak of but thats a whole thread of its own.
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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    THAT is why I said I need to see a warrant and NOT a uniform, a uniform dosen't tell ME it's an leo who is illegaly busting down my door at 3am. Someone illegally busting down my door at 3am is going to get shot weather they are in uniform or not. I'll ask questions later if I survive. I do realize warrant's can be faked but someone presenting a warrant instead of illeagly busting down my door might stop the bullets from flying.
    I'm talking about Joko's post 126 regarding swat team's appearance.

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm talking about Joko's post 126 regarding swat team's appearance.
    sorry i am talking about the OP but my position still holds i need to see a warrant period.!!! a uniform breaking the law is no different than a terrorist in my book and should be delt with in the same manner.

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by proud2Bcatholic View Post
    A while back here where I live, the police raided a home. They broke down the door and ran in like storm troopers. It turned out they had the wrong home and they actually killed the resident when the door they knocked down slammed into him. I'll bet he wishes he could have shot the bastards; a dead man, dead for no good reason other than the stupidity of public sector employees.

    Police serve an important function, but in the end they are just government workers, and a lot of tham are arrogent a$$holes. They are no better than anyone else.
    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    this is why the police surround the house and VERY carefully approach the house with a warrant and inform anyone inside (BEFORE they bust down the door) that they have no hope of escape or any way of winning a fight with them and they should just open the door before it gets busted down. i do agree with you in that i have encountered many of those arrogent a$$holes you speak of but thats a whole thread of its own.
    My point is this:
    Most Americans are okay but some will rob or kill you and being able to shoot them if they try is okay.

    Likewise,
    Most cops are okay but some will rob or kill you and being able to shoot them if they try is okay.

    Cops are people too. And yes, some will shake you down, take money from organized crime, etc.

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