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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    . "A person is not justified in using deadly force against a public servant whom the person knows or reasonably should know is a public servant unless the force is reasonably necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person." A cursory vehicle stop does not seem to fit within these parameters.
    Thats a good thing I sure hope its not Connery...Id hate to have cops make vehicle stops and unstrap and hold and walk up to the drivers window and not see any hands and get nervous knowing the law says he could shoot you so you just shoot first... hey we can have shootouts all over indiana...everyone that hates cops can say I thought he was going to invade my property so I shot him...and cops will run around shooting all the citizens first...loolol...oh man...I needed this thread tonight...THANK YOU MYA...lol

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    . "A person is not justified in using deadly force against a public servant whom the person knows or reasonably should know is a public servant unless the force is reasonably necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person." A cursory vehicle stop does not seem to fit within these parameters.


    What I said is what next????

    The next logical step would something like that.

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats a good thing I sure hope its not Connery...Id hate to have cops make vehicle stops and unstrap and hold and walk up to the drivers window and not see any hands and get nervous knowing the law says he could shoot you so you just shoot first... hey we can have shootouts all over indiana...everyone that hates cops can say I thought he was going to invade my property so I shot him...and cops will run around shooting all the citizens first...loolol...oh man...I needed this thread tonight...THANK YOU MYA...lol
    Again the key is reasonable.....

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    What I said is what next????

    The next logical step would something like that.
    What do you mean "what next"....

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    I'm a big supporter of the 2A. I carry just about everywhere I go, I advocate CCW holders to be able to carry onto any school property, and imo the 2A extends to fully-automatic non-crew-served machine guns such as the M249 or MK90.

    As a law abiding citizen, I'm on the cop's side by default. If a cop pulls me over or enters my home, I'm automatically going to assume he has just cause to do what he's doing and I'm going to cooperate. We're on the same side.

    Should red flags start going up, such as no warrant, I'm not going to just shoot him. Cops don't always need a warrant and it's always safe to assume that I don't have all the information.

    To bring me to the point where I would pull my weapon on a cop, I would have to be pushed pretty far. It would have to be a grave and ugly situation. I would have to be in the same state of reasonable fear it would take for me to pull my issued weapon on a fellow soldier, and you would have to push me pretty far for that.

    I'm fairly certain that I would allow the cop to commit a certain level of crime against me and then call my lawyer afterwords, instead of pulling a gun. The same is not true were the criminal just a common thug.

    Should I ever be pushed that far, should the situation ever become so dire that I feel the application of lethal force against a cop is justified, there shouldn't be a special law keeping me from defending myself. I agree with this law.
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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    What do you mean "what next"....
    what we are talking about Connery, first resident in Indiana shoot police who enter their homes ...what next

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    what we are talking about Connery, first resident in Indiana shoot police who enter their homes ...what next
    The law does not stand for one free shot at the cops, I showwed the qualifiers in a previous post.



    (j) Notwithstanding subsection (i), a person is not justified in using force against a public servant if:
    (1) the person is committing or is escaping after the commission of a crime;
    (2) the person provokes action by the public servant with intent to cause bodily injury to the public servant;
    (3) the person has entered into combat with the public servant or is the initial aggressor, unless the person withdraws from the encounter and communicates to the public servant the intent to do so and the public servant nevertheless continues or threatens to continue unlawful action; or
    (4) the person reasonably believes the public servant is:
    (A) acting lawfully; or
    (B) engaged in the lawful execution of the public servant's official duties.
    (k) A person is not justified in using deadly force against a public servant whom the person knows or reasonably should know is a public servant unless:
    (1) the person reasonably believes that the public servant is:
    (A) acting unlawfully; or
    (B) not engaged in the execution of the public servant's official duties; and
    (2) the force is reasonably necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Well..I think this a stupid Law.

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    what we are talking about Connery, first resident in Indiana shoot police who enter their homes ...what next
    I don't know that anything is 'next'. I suppose that decision would be left entirely up to whomever wanted to commit a crime.

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    Re: New Indiana gun law allows residents to shoot police

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Well..I think this a stupid Law.
    I am with you Mya....

    There was no need for this is the 4th Amendment was followed to begin with.

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