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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That's about right, using 2010 counts for veterns. The rate is about .02752 % using the 6,000 per year number.

    So the rate among veterans is double the general population average, but the rate for active duty is relatively close to that of the general population.

    Without more data I'd say our problem seems to lie in post-discharge failures in care and accessibility of mental health services.
    And having put them in harms way unnecessarily in the first place, especially over and over again through stop loss orders.
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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And having put them in harms way unnecessarily in the first place, especially over and over again through stop loss orders.
    Somebody will always think the war we're fighting at any given time is unnecessary. War kills. Period. War is an unceasing constant in human history.
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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was for going into Iraq and Afghan but I never agreed with nation building. Go in, kill the right people, break the right things then leave as fast as you arrived. This is a huge mess, we evidently learned nothing from Nam.
    No, we learned a lot from Nam.

    Like how profitable private defense companies can be off of government contracts during a war.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was for going into Iraq and Afghan but I never agreed with nation building. Go in, kill the right people, break the right things then leave as fast as you arrived. This is a huge mess, we evidently learned nothing from Nam.
    It has to be the most frustrating, mind bending, futile situation possible. Participating in a war, that has no goal other then "responding" to random IED and sniper attacks. Much like Vietnam, the "enemy" is everywhere yet nowhere, the guy you shook hands with at lunch time, may well be shooting at you after dinner, or have planted an IED that will get you after breakfast the next day. Our military, as are most others, is designed to "destroy enemy capability" and fight a "secure and hold" type of war, not to try to play "world policeman" with no court system in place at all. Watching those around you getting maimed and killed yet having done nothing, in response, to make any real difference the next day, week, month, year or now decade, is indeed enough to tax the mind of a genius, much less an enlisted man or officer that only means well, tries to do their duty, obey orders and yet, has no control over the "battle plan", or complete lack thereof. USA, USA, USA...
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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Somebody will always think the war we're fighting at any given time is unnecessary. War kills. Period. War is an unceasing constant in human history.
    There is a distinction between putting troops as risk to defend against attack from that country, and starting an optional war to change the government to one we prefer.
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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    First, let me say that suicide is a horrible means to an end, and we should be doing whatever we can to help prevent suicide in any situation.

    That said, some numbers:

    Using 2007 numbers (quickest available data), we had a population of 301,621,157 total citizens. Of that number, we had 34,598 people who died due to suicide attempts. That equates to a .0115% rate.

    Using the article's numbers and extrapolating to assume we finish 2012 with 1 death per day, we'll have 365 deaths among roughly 2,915,362 active service members. That equates to a .01251% rate.

    Please note: the 2.9+ million military population is active service members. It may not included retired/discharged/or recent new admissions. It was as close as I could get doing a quick search.

    That said, the rates are pretty close to one another. There is a slightly higher rate within the military population than within the general population, but not much. Of course, the current general population rate may vary slightly from the numbers I've gathered. I could not find suicide data for the general population beyond 2007 doing a few quick searches.
    Nobody dies from a "suicide attempt", death indicates far more than an attempt was made. The point of the article was not about the military suicide rate relative to that of the general population, but just within the military members themselves. That suicide rate increased significantly since 2001, when we started forcing our military to play "world policeman" in Muslim lands, rather than really fight the Jihad that we were invited to. ;-)
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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    I get it. This is a thread about the legitimacy of the wars, not about suicides among military personnel. My mistake.

    Commence soapboxing, by all means.
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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No, we learned a lot from Nam.

    Like how profitable private defense companies can be off of government contracts during a war.
    Yep. The more CRISIS billions that are floating around the easier it is to get in on some of it. Every congressional district contains some militray related pork, so that rising tide lifts all boats and you can't hear the battle going on from DC. Perhaps if we sent some congressional "fact finders" to the battle field, equipped with clown shoes and ear plugs, they could experience, first hand (or leg) what an IED is all about. ;-)
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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I get it. This is a thread about the legitimacy of the wars, not about suicides among military personnel. My mistake.

    Commence soapboxing, by all means.
    Do you know of another factor that may explain the rise of these military personnel suicides starting to rise a lot since 2001? What do you propose, other than the "terror war(s)" that may be driving this "odd trend"?
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    Re: Military Suicide Rate Surges To Nearly One Per Day This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Do you know of another factor that may explain the rise of these military personnel suicides starting to rise a lot since 2001? What do you propose, other than the "terror war(s)" that may be driving this "odd trend"?
    I'm not and have never denied that strains of war can be a mitigating factor in the suicide rate among military personnel. But this thread isn't about the legitimacy of the wars, nor does the legitimacy of war determine whether or not a risk of suicide increases or decreases.
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