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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

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    Libs tend to be angry bitter and immature, this does not surprise me.
    Conservatives tend to be paranoid and they whine a lot. This doesn't surprise me.
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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    It doesn't matter who is responsible, this is illegal and should be investigated.

    Although I think the Senator is p*ssing in the wind if he thinks the DOJ will get involved. Maybe the local law inforcement folks will investigate and find the stooge(s) that is responsible.
    Why should the DOJ get involved? Were any Federal crimes commited? If this isn't the action of a government agency, it's not a First Amendment thing. So unless there's something else going on that we don't see, it is at best a State issue.

    Funny how the people who scream loudest about states rights are the same ones wanting Holder to get involved in a State jurisdiction.

    Nothing in what I've read indicates a Federal crime has been commited. Should the perps be arrested? Yes, of course, they are breaking the law. Unless there's something going on that's not in the OP, It's not the DOJ's place.
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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

    I still don't see why the feds need to be involved when the state's investigators have people of interest, can easily coordinate across state lines and each state can handle the SWATers in their jurisdiction.

    Again state righters want to pull traditional federal duties away when they want to block the feds from doing their duty, but when it is time to grandstand before a national election why Hell's bells let us demand Federal Action.

    If you stand for state's rights and the empowering of the individual states then demanding federal action on simple investigations seems a bit weak. Perfect time to show the nation the Feds are not required and downsizing is the usual right wing call.

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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    But you've got a good conspiracy theory going, and Sen. Chambliss put out a nice chest thumping press release which I'm sure will rile up his base (always in search of victimhood), so carry on

    What press release? Do you have a link to this? The OP's article doesn't say anything about a press release.

    Anyway, I thought the Senator's letter to Holder was quite reasonable and polite.

    “I am writing with concern regarding recent reports that several members of the community of online political commentators have been targeted with harassing and frightening actions. Any potentially criminal action that incites fear, seeks to silence a dissenting opinion, and collaterally wastes the resources of law enforcement should be given close scrutiny at all levels,” Chambliss wrote in the letter.

    “Regardless of any potential political differences that may exist, threats and intimidation have no place in our national political discourse. Those who choose to enter into that political discourse should not have to worry about potential threats to their or their family’s safety,” Chambliss continued. “While I am certain that local law enforcement is reviewing each of these instances, I am asking you to please look into each of these cases as well to determine if any federal laws may have been violated. Future targets of SWAT-ting, whether engaged in political speech or not, may not be so fortunate as to escape physical harm.”
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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I still don't see why the feds need to be involved when the state's investigators have people of interest, can easily coordinate across state lines and each state can handle the SWATers in their jurisdiction.

    Again state righters want to pull traditional federal duties away when they want to block the feds from doing their duty, but when it is time to grandstand before a national election why Hell's bells let us demand Federal Action.

    If you stand for state's rights and the empowering of the individual states then demanding federal action on simple investigations seems a bit weak. Perfect time to show the nation the Feds are not required and downsizing is the usual right wing call.
    There may have been federal laws broken. Or, at least, the Senator would like the DOJ to see if there were.
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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers


    A number of conservative bloggers allege they have been targeted through the use of harassment tactics such as SWAT-ting (fooling 911 operators into sending emergency teams to their homes), in retaliation for posts they have written, and now Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., has stepped into the matter. He has sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder urging him to investigate the SWAT-ting cases to see if federal laws have been violated.

    “I am writing with concern regarding recent reports that several members of the community of online political commentators have been targeted with harassing and frightening actions. Any potentially criminal action that incites fear, seeks to silence a dissenting opinion, and collaterally wastes the resources of law enforcement should be given close scrutiny at all levels,” Chambliss wrote.

    Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers - ABC News

    As well as other sites discussed in the article, Patterico and Red State have already been targeted, and these aren't "pizza pranks." In Patterico's case, a phone call was made from inside his home by a man claiming to have killed his wife, but nobody inside the house had phoned. Deputies arrived and helicopters hovered, and the blogger was handcuffed.

    I hope that AG Holder will take an interest in this. In the Red State case, Georgia is well aware of a person of interest. In general, though, if it's a cyber-attack, it could come from anywhere, so the DOJ's active involvement makes sense.
    It's a sophisticated version of leaving a burning bag of dog s**t on your front porch and ringing the bell.

    It's also one of the best publicity stunts one could try and run.
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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    What press release? Do you have a link to this? The OP's article doesn't say anything about a press release. [...]
    Ah. Didn't do your homework, eh?

    The OP's link -- Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers - ABC News -- contained this link -- Press Releases - News Center - Saxby Chambliss, U.S. Senator for Georgia -- which leads to:

    Press Releases
    Jun 06 2012
    Chambliss Demands Inquiry Into Attacks Against Conservative Commentators

    Chambliss demanded that Holder examine these cases to determine if federal laws have been violated.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Anyway, I thought the Senator's letter to Holder was quite reasonable and polite.
    Indeed it was. But according to the Senator's press office he kicked Holder's ass. Pretty slimy if you ask me.

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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    There may have been federal laws broken. Or, at least, the Senator would like the DOJ to see if there were.
    No, no, no -- according to the Senator's press office, he demanded the DOJ -- hell, he demanded Holder personally -- see if there were

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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Um, they were already in custody when Obama took office.
    Yes. Right. Correct. Exactly. The point was, is this administration doing anything about these attacks? You replied citing a case that was actually closed one week after Obama (and Holder) took office, so obviously they didn't have anything to do with the case. Did I miss something? If so, sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    How do you know that is why they are being harassed?
    You're right, I don't. I'm basing the assumption on the fact that the people targeted by the terrorists have been Conservatives. Do you know of any Liberals that have been targeted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Well, you don't know what they're doing. Your lack of information is proof of nothing (other than your lack of information).
    You're right, I don't. It could be that the FBI, DoJ, and EPA are all over these cases. Secretly. Shhhh...Don't tell Senator Chambliss.

    I suppose my point is this: Free speech is sacred. I think the rights contained in the First Amendment are the most important rights we have, just above our Second Amendment rights. The Founders and Framers agreed, they also rated them 1 and 2. When we have political terrorists placing legitimate threats on people's lives for speaking their beliefs, it goes against everything America stands for. Tactics such as this should be decried by every thinking, rational, sane American, regardless of politics. Actually, they are.

    What I'm "hoping" for is a leader who will stand up and say that this is the worst possible tactic, a violation of basic civil rights, repugnant and reprehensible, attempted murder, and will be investigated and prosecuted as such.

    A leader did stand up. Several, actually. Obama didn't. No one from the left did either, so far as I know.


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    Re: Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why should the DOJ get involved? Were any Federal crimes commited? If this isn't the action of a government agency, it's not a First Amendment thing. So unless there's something else going on that we don't see, it is at best a State issue.
    Agreed. Just as they had no business dismissing the Black Panther voter intimidation conviction.
    Just as they had no business converging on Sanford, hoping to find evidence of racism by the eeevil white man (or white Hispanic man, whatever).
    Just as they have no business ordering States to stop enforcing the law. Or ordering the States to stop asking voters for ID.

    Just as they have no business ordering swimming pool owners to provide access for the disabled, for the love of God.

    My feeling is, if they feel the need to weigh in on swimming pools, maybe they could also put a little effort towards catching the terrorists sending men with automatic weapons to innocent people's homes under false pretenses.
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