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    Re: Record Spending On 2012 Elections By GOP Groups

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    Re: Record Spending On 2012 Elections By GOP Groups

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    Hey, no problem. I'm always willing to change my mind, BUT it will take a well-reasoned, BS-free argument to get me there.

    Anyway. Here is what I was able to find. For the life of me I had real trouble getting many useful charts past the year 2010.



    Let the debate begin over that spike at 2009. The way I see it, though, there's clearly a rise right around the time Obama took office--but compared to the rest of the graph, especially those spikes at WWI and WWII, it honestly doesn't look like much more than a natural ebb and flow.
    That's a nice way to put it. However to me it looks like a big spike. Aside from the chart, in just four yrs under Obama he has raised the national debt by close to 6 trillion.
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    Re: Record Spending On 2012 Elections By GOP Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    That's a nice way to put it. However to me it looks like a big spike. Aside from the chart, in just four yrs under Obama he has raised the national debt by close to 6 trillion.
    It is a big increase, from 20% of GDP to 24% of GDP, or a 20% increase in federal spending. What is shown is only federal spending but not federal revenue, the federal deficit (or surplus) is the difference between spending and revenue. While spending, under Obama, went up by 20%, revenue remained the same, at 17% of GDP, causing the deficit to DOUBLE, yep 100% more average annual national debt increase, under Obama, than under Bush. Yes he did!
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    Re: Record Spending On 2012 Elections By GOP Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It is a big increase, from 20% of GDP to 24% of GDP, or a 20% increase in federal spending. What is shown is only federal spending but not federal revenue, the federal deficit (or surplus) is the difference between spending and revenue. While spending, under Obama, went up by 20%, revenue remained the same, at 17% of GDP, causing the deficit to DOUBLE, yep 100% more average annual national debt increase, under Obama, than under Bush. Yes he did!
    Problem is, though, if 20% to 24% is a "big increase," then there are a LOT of "big increases" on that chart. Strictly IMO, I only see two big increases.

    Note, BTW, that right after the 2009 spike, it starts to come down a little.
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    You know what would be cool? If we were smart enough that all this hot air blowing, all the lies, all the hype, and all the advertising (pronounced "lying") didn't sway us to vote for just the two main parties, and didn't let the people who destroyed our economy, and doomed the young generation to debt and unemployment get a pass. All that money that's being spent really does buy our votes. I would much rather that all this money couldn't influence our elections. Wise up, people. You wanna get the money out of elections? Then stop listening to the guys who spend it.
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    Re: Record Spending On 2012 Elections By GOP Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Problem is, though, if 20% to 24% is a "big increase," then there are a LOT of "big increases" on that chart. Strictly IMO, I only see two big increases.

    Note, BTW, that right after the 2009 spike, it starts to come down a little.
    Well thats pretty charitable. After raising the budget by 800billion for a total deficit of 1400 billion he then agreed to cut it by 60billion. Am I the only one that sees that as bad?

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    Re: Record Spending On 2012 Elections By GOP Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Well thats pretty charitable. After raising the budget by 800billion for a total deficit of 1400 billion he then agreed to cut it by 60billion. Am I the only one that sees that as bad?
    I'm still waiting to hear how the 2009 "spike" compares to the WWI and WWII spikes.

    And the more I think about this, when did analysis of government spending become "spending per GDP"?
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    Re: Record Spending On 2012 Elections By GOP Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Hey, they're spending money freely given to them, just as the Dems are doing. It's like a business, it's a voluntary relationship. That's different than spending tax money that people are obligated to pay. The notion of fiscal restraint deals with the latter.
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    Re: Record Spending On 2012 Elections By GOP Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Elections are like a business?
    Nowadays, yes they are.
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