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    EPA Spying on Ranchers

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...s-want-answers

    "A Nebraska cattlemen’s group is pushing the Environmental Protection Agency to stop pollution-control flights over ranches, claiming it amounts to spying on citizens. EPA, meanwhile, says the flights are an effective way to quickly spot -- and stop -- pollution from manure lagoons and other waste at large livestock operations."


    Ya just gotta love the gov't. I guess the EPA just wants to make sure all ranchers are walking in lockstep.


    Wonder how they got a warrant to do this? Wonder who's next on the spy-in-the-sky's "lookie see" program? Maybe your backyard?
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Yeah making sure ranches are not dumping manure slurry into streams is making them frog march!

    Get over it, given the underfunding the 'I hate gov' politicians engage in just how does the EPA monitor pollution? Drive to every ranch/pig operation/chicken factory?

    It's called using technology to reduce costs. The tin foil crowd is free to disagree. FYI- I don't have a problem with them over flying my ranch, why would you have a problem with them flying over yours?

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Yeah making sure ranches are not dumping manure slurry into streams is making them frog march!

    Get over it, given the underfunding the 'I hate gov' politicians engage in just how does the EPA monitor pollution? Drive to every ranch/pig operation/chicken factory?

    It's called using technology to reduce costs. The tin foil crowd is free to disagree. FYI- I don't have a problem with them over flying my ranch, why would you have a problem with them flying over yours?



    Well I'd agree, but did you see where they had a "warrant in hand" to do this? If not, then isn't this action unconstitutional?

    I can see by you post it would be okay with you if they "monitored" your actions every now and again, without cause or warrant. But it wouldn't be okay in my book.


    Just asking.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Well I'd agree, but did you see where they had a "warrant in hand" to do this? If not, then isn't this action unconstitutional?

    I can see by you post it would be okay with you if they "monitored" your actions every now and again, without cause or warrant. But it wouldn't be okay in my book.


    Just asking.
    do they need a warrant to park a car on a public street and watch you? nope.

    the sky is the same thing, and a plane is very much like a car in this context. no warrant should be necessary to survey from a public location.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    U.S. News - EPA planes spying on ranchers? Lawmakers want answers

    "A Nebraska cattlemen’s group is pushing the Environmental Protection Agency to stop pollution-control flights over ranches, claiming it amounts to spying on citizens. EPA, meanwhile, says the flights are an effective way to quickly spot -- and stop -- pollution from manure lagoons and other waste at large livestock operations."


    Ya just gotta love the gov't. I guess the EPA just wants to make sure all ranchers are walking in lockstep.


    Wonder how they got a warrant to do this? Wonder who's next on the spy-in-the-sky's "lookie see" program? Maybe your backyard?

    These ranchers sound retarded.

    Anything to bash the EPA. All the poor white trash will vote conservative until their kids are born with one eye because the Koch bros dumped crap into their water.

    This country is doomed if regulators can't enforce rules.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    do they need a warrant to park a car on a public street and watch you? nope.

    the sky is the same thing, and a plane is very much like a car in this context. no warrant should be necessary to survey from a public location.


    You could be right, if this just a fly by. But I believe this is surrvelance of specific ranches.

    Maybe a "legal eagle" on the board can answer the question.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    These ranchers sound retarded.

    Anything to bash the EPA. All the poor white trash will vote conservative until their kids are born with one eye because the Koch bros dumped crap into their water.

    This country is doomed if regulators can't enforce rules.

    Well that is another way of looking at the article.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    I live in a remote cabin that must look like a good dope growing spot to the DEA. They hover over my house and garden area in the summer so close I can see their ****** faces. I give them both fingers and would love to point a gun at them but I don't like jails much. IMO, gov should have to have a warrent to search your property from the air weather it's searchig for pot or sewage lagoons or anything else.
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Well that is another way of looking at the article.
    Hey, I know, let's ban highway patrol from parking on overpasses with radar guns... because we wouldn't want to spy on big rigs.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Hey, I know, let's ban highway patrol from parking on overpasses with radar guns... because we wouldn't want to spy on big rigs.
    Highways are public areas, you have no expectation of privacy or private property rights against search and seizure.

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