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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am really in the minority here but I completely disagree with you on this one. A rancher’s ranch is no different to him than somebody who lives in a condos porch is to him. It is his private property and he should be assured the right to privacy on his land. If pollution shows up downstream then the EPA should get a search warrant to come onto his land and have a look around just as they would to come in his house.
    When the DEA choppers circle my house and garden I can’t tell you how angry I get. If it wasn’t for the consequences of such an action I would most certainly open fire. I once walked out with a 30-06 in my left hand while I gave them the finger with my right hand, I was just daring them to file charges and expected cops to show up but they never did. I was careful not to aim my rifle at them so the only pics they had of me was carrying a rifle which is not illegal. They did fly away though; I think I made my point.
    The bolded part, I disagree with.

    A rancher isn't using his ranch as a home. Rather, he's using it as a business. Therefore he is just as responsible to follow business practices as demanded by law as anyone else is.

    Now I agree that these kinds of drone flights shouldn't be done over a person's private home. But if your private home is also a business then it can be flown over to make sure it's following regulations.

    If you don't want your home looked at for what it does as business then live away from your business.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The bolded part, I disagree with.

    A rancher isn't using his ranch as a home. Rather, he's using it as a business. Therefore he is just as responsible to follow business practices as demanded by law as anyone else is.

    Now I agree that these kinds of drone flights shouldn't be done over a person's private home. But if your private home is also a business then it can be flown over to make sure it's following regulations.

    If you don't want your home looked at for what it does as business then live away from your business.
    My land is officialy designated timber land because it's a tax write off and I do log it but that does not mean I don't enjoy just walking around at times and enjoying my "yard". Its a big yard but to me its home not a business.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My land is officialy designated timber land because it's a tax write off and I do log it but that does not mean I don't enjoy just walking around at times and enjoying my "yard". Its a big yard but to me its home not a business.
    Then if you want it to be treated like your home don't have it designated as timber land for the tax write off.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Then if you want it to be treated like your home don't have it designated as timber land for the tax write off.
    Spoken like a true big brother is OK with you liberal.
    Last edited by sawyerloggingon; 06-10-12 at 07:36 PM.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My land is officialy designated timber land because it's a tax write off and I do log it but that does not mean I don't enjoy just walking around at times and enjoying my "yard". Its a big yard but to me its home not a business.
    Yeah, and I consider my cars my babies, I don't get to claim them as dependents on my taxes.
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Spoken like a true big brother is OK with you liberal.
    And it's just like a conservative to try to game the system for some extra money and is bitchin about it when it bites him on his ass.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And it's just like a conservative to try to game the system for some extra money and is bitchin about it when it bites him on his ass.
    You do realize you are trying to debate a straw man you invented don't you? My land being timber land has absaloutly nothing with the DEA being able to fly over it. You are caught up in your on BS.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

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    and we all know you realize timber lands are where many pot farmers grow their plants. That is in the News every crop season. Some gangs have guards living out in the timber lands.

    But it is funny YOU claim your land as your backyard AND a business expense. That is the strawman YOU brought into the discussion attempting to make your land the same as a condo balcony, same as a 1/4 acre backyard in suburbia. Pot farmers don't grow acre sized pot plots in suburbia, if they did the DEA would be overflying the backyard cookout. The DEA goes where the trail leads, not to where they can piss out grumpy old men.

    No slippery slope, just a paranoid 'conservative' trying to game the system.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Sawyer-
    and we all know you realize timber lands are where many pot farmers grow their plants. That is in the News every crop season. Some gangs have guards living out in the timber lands.

    But it is funny YOU claim your land as your backyard AND a business expense. That is the strawman YOU brought into the discussion attempting to make your land the same as a condo balcony, same as a 1/4 acre backyard in suburbia. Pot farmers don't grow acre sized pot plots in suburbia, if they did the DEA would be overflying the backyard cookout. The DEA goes where the trail leads, not to where they can piss out grumpy old men.

    No slippery slope, just a paranoid 'conservative' trying to game the system.
    It is far from gaming the system, it is the system and you get tax breaks for specific reasons. Theres alot of rules that go with being a designated "tree farm", most are good rules.

    "ATFS was established in response to concerns that America's private forests were being cut at unsustainable rates without reforestation. It all began in 1941 when the first Tree Farm was designated in Washington State. The Tree Farm's purpose was to demonstrate sound forest management practices to area landowners. California's Tree Farm program started later in 1941 and has grown to include over 3,700 Tree Farms covering 3.6 million acres of the state

    Getting Started in Sustainable Forestry

    Sound, sustainable forests begin with determining objectives, deciding what resources are available on your land, and developing a written forest management plan that meets ATFS standards and guidelines as well as meeting your forest needs for generations to come. A professional forester can answer your questions and help you develop your management plan.

    The American Tree Farm System has developed a management plan template that can be used in the development of new forest management plans. The template is intended as a helpful guide, containing all of the major sections required in Tree Farm management plans according to the AFF Standards of Sustainability for Forest Certification.
    Sustainable Forestry Defined

    Sustainable forestry means managing our forests to meet the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs by practicing a land stewardship ethic which integrates the reforestation, managing, growing, nurturing and harvesting of trees for useful products with the conservation of soil, air and water quality, wildlife and fish habitat and aesthetics."

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It is far from gaming the system, it is the system and you get tax breaks for specific reasons. Theres alot of rules that go with being a designated "tree farm", most are good rules.

    "ATFS was established in response to concerns that America's private forests were being cut at unsustainable rates without reforestation. It all began in 1941 when the first Tree Farm was designated in Washington State. The Tree Farm's purpose was to demonstrate sound forest management practices to area landowners. California's Tree Farm program started later in 1941 and has grown to include over 3,700 Tree Farms covering 3.6 million acres of the state

    Getting Started in Sustainable Forestry

    Sound, sustainable forests begin with determining objectives, deciding what resources are available on your land, and developing a written forest management plan that meets ATFS standards and guidelines as well as meeting your forest needs for generations to come. A professional forester can answer your questions and help you develop your management plan.

    The American Tree Farm System has developed a management plan template that can be used in the development of new forest management plans. The template is intended as a helpful guide, containing all of the major sections required in Tree Farm management plans according to the AFF Standards of Sustainability for Forest Certification.
    Sustainable Forestry Defined

    Sustainable forestry means managing our forests to meet the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs by practicing a land stewardship ethic which integrates the reforestation, managing, growing, nurturing and harvesting of trees for useful products with the conservation of soil, air and water quality, wildlife and fish habitat and aesthetics."
    It's also the system that demands that businesses must follow regulations on their businesses, which is why business regulators must do what they have to to ensure that businesses are following those regulations.

    And if you don't want business regulators snooping around your business because it's your home then don't make your home your business.

    It's as simple as that. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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