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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    EPA planes spying on ranchers? Lawmakers want answers - U.S. News

    "A Nebraska cattlemen’s group is pushing the Environmental Protection Agency to stop pollution-control flights over ranches, claiming it amounts to spying on citizens. EPA, meanwhile, says the flights are an effective way to quickly spot -- and stop -- pollution from manure lagoons and other waste at large livestock operations."


    Ya just gotta love the gov't. I guess the EPA just wants to make sure all ranchers are walking in lockstep.


    Wonder how they got a warrant to do this? Wonder who's next on the spy-in-the-sky's "lookie see" program? Maybe your backyard?
    It's because the GOP keeps giving out government contracts to defense companies to build drones for security so they can campaign on a law and order platform because they don't want to be seen as a bleeding heart liberal.
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

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    It's because the GOP keeps giving out government contracts to defense companies to build drones for security so they can campaign on a law and order platform because they don't want to be seen as a bleeding heart liberal.

    Got a link? Thanks.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I fully agree that what the EPA is doing is legal. Anything that is out in the open is up for grabs...even if that something is in the middle of 500 acres.

    But I am begining to have concerns. Technology is getting so advanced that I have no doubt that eventually there will be technology that can see every little detail inside a brick house with no windows from across the street. (or perhaps farther) So I think that we need to start asking ourselves where do we draw the line? When does all this technology that can be used without physically invading someones home become an invasion? When will we start requiring warrants for this technology to be used?

    The Right to Privacy and the Right to a Search Warrant is quickly getting obsolete.
    I don't see a big difference in the gov't entering a food service establishment for a health inspection, and the EPA checking the racncher's property for pollution inspection. You want "probable cause" warrants applied only for ranchers, or for restaurants as well? Both reataurants and ranchers have responsibilities to ensure no harm to public safety is done, and both involve private property, simply because the rancher's 'customers' do not visit his facility, he takes his beef to market, that does not mean that he may pollute the water with impunity, any more that a restaurant may declare their kitchen "private" and allow inspection of the dining area only, without a warrant. If raw sewage is found in running in a street curb, must the police now get a warrant to examine the yards in the neighborhood to determine the source of the spill?
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I don't see a big difference in the gov't entering a food service establishment for a health inspection, and the EPA checking the racncher's property for pollution inspection. You want "probable cause" warrants applied only for ranchers, or for restaurants as well? Both reataurants and ranchers have responsibilities to ensure no harm to public safety is done, and both involve private property, simply because the rancher's 'customers' do not visit his facility, he takes his beef to market, that does not mean that he may pollute the water with impunity, any more that a restaurant may declare their kitchen "private" and allow inspection of the dining area only, without a warrant. If raw sewage is found in running in a street curb, must the police now get a warrant to examine the yards in the neighborhood to determine the source of the spill?
    I am really in the minority here but I completely disagree with you on this one. A rancher’s ranch is no different to him than somebody who lives in a condos porch is to him. It is his private property and he should be assured the right to privacy on his land. If pollution shows up downstream then the EPA should get a search warrant to come onto his land and have a look around just as they would to come in his house.
    When the DEA choppers circle my house and garden I can’t tell you how angry I get. If it wasn’t for the consequences of such an action I would most certainly open fire. I once walked out with a 30-06 in my left hand while I gave them the finger with my right hand, I was just daring them to file charges and expected cops to show up but they never did. I was careful not to aim my rifle at them so the only pics they had of me was carrying a rifle which is not illegal. They did fly away though; I think I made my point.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Sawyer-
    you would most certainly be dead. I doubt you carrying your rifle scared the chopper away, more like they got what they wanted, a view of the garden, and left. Cops see firearms all the time, now point it at them and yes they will be scared.

    Yes you are a minority as you keep insisting on bogus 'rights'. Grow a pot plant on your condo balcony and see what everyone, to include the Supreme Court, says about the 4th Amendment. The police/EPA/citizen has every right to LOOK at your property OUTSIDE your home. To come ON your property and SEIZE something you own is another story, but you can't stand on your front porch and engage in illegal activity and expect the cop driving by on routine patrol to turn a blind eye.

    I live at the end of a dirt road. I understand the difference between inside my house and pissin off the front porch. You are the king of your castle, not a stairway to heaven...

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Sawyer-
    you would most certainly be dead. I doubt you carrying your rifle scared the chopper away, more like they got what they wanted, a view of the garden, and left. Cops see firearms all the time, now point it at them and yes they will be scared.

    Yes you are a minority as you keep insisting on bogus 'rights'. Grow a pot plant on your condo balcony and see what everyone, to include the Supreme Court, says about the 4th Amendment. The police/EPA/citizen has every right to LOOK at your property OUTSIDE your home. To come ON your property and SEIZE something you own is another story, but you can't stand on your front porch and engage in illegal activity and expect the cop driving by on routine patrol to turn a blind eye.

    I live at the end of a dirt road. I understand the difference between inside my house and pissin off the front porch. You are the king of your castle, not a stairway to heaven...
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    EPA planes spying on ranchers? Lawmakers want answers - U.S. News

    "A Nebraska cattlemen’s group is pushing the Environmental Protection Agency to stop pollution-control flights over ranches, claiming it amounts to spying on citizens. EPA, meanwhile, says the flights are an effective way to quickly spot -- and stop -- pollution from manure lagoons and other waste at large livestock operations."


    Ya just gotta love the gov't. I guess the EPA just wants to make sure all ranchers are walking in lockstep.


    Wonder how they got a warrant to do this? Wonder who's next on the spy-in-the-sky's "lookie see" program? Maybe your backyard?
    What a dumb ****ing argument. A flyover is a breach of privacy? If these aircraft had thermal vision or some **** maybe they might have a point.
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I don't see a big difference in the gov't entering a food service establishment for a health inspection, and the EPA checking the racncher's property for pollution inspection. You want "probable cause" warrants applied only for ranchers, or for restaurants as well? Both reataurants and ranchers have responsibilities to ensure no harm to public safety is done, and both involve private property, simply because the rancher's 'customers' do not visit his facility, he takes his beef to market, that does not mean that he may pollute the water with impunity, any more that a restaurant may declare their kitchen "private" and allow inspection of the dining area only, without a warrant. If raw sewage is found in running in a street curb, must the police now get a warrant to examine the yards in the neighborhood to determine the source of the spill?
    I don't think that you understood my point. My concern isn't for the flyover itself. That to me is just like looking at someones yard from the street/sidewalk...so long as it is just taking pictures that a normal everyday camera can take. My concern is for the type of technology that they either are using or will eventually be using due to advancements. People are currently looking into technology that can see through walls. What if they are successful and use that technology on the drones? Or in a van across the street?

    The reasoning behind the idea that it is legal for the drone to fly overhead looking for things without a search warrant because its not technically on your property could be used for this technology that we are developing.
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What a dumb ****ing argument. A flyover is a breach of privacy? If these aircraft had thermal vision or some **** maybe they might have a point.
    DEA helicopters do have thermal equipment on board to find pot plants. If its legal for them then it would prolly be legal for a drone.
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Actually the Supreme Court has ruled the use of thermal imaging to see in a house is a search and must have a search warrant. Kyllo vs US 2001 5-4.

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