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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Well I'd agree, but did you see where they had a "warrant in hand" to do this? If not, then isn't this action unconstitutional?

    I can see by you post it would be okay with you if they "monitored" your actions every now and again, without cause or warrant. But it wouldn't be okay in my book.


    Just asking.
    That is a bit extreme is it not? Do food safety inspections require probable cause warrants in your world too? Routine safety checks (health inspections) are the "price", in loss of freedom, that one must endure to get (and keep) a permit to serve food to the public. I assume, yet do not know for sure, that the EPA would overfly ranches only after detection of pollutants in a stream/river to attempt to find the source, not simply to waste time and tax money randomly flying around.
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Billy-
    your being a bit extreme. If I had to guess the ranches in question you think are being 'picked on' have a history of pollution. I can see if my ranch had a history of violating laws/regulations/sheep's dignity being under closer scrutiny.

    Given the poor funding, vast areas to moniter, long distances from public roads and the difficulty in tracing pollution BACK upstream to the source, overflights make sense. Sounds to me the ranchers must have been caught pooching the local streams with cow poop and don't want to get caught again so they are trying to push back and make enforcing the pollution regulations as expensive as possible hoping the EPA will abandon enforcement.

    I wonder if the ranches in question are in the Government handout program for agriculture? If so they most likely can be inspected anytime the local .gov ag agent wishes. My experience with 'em is they are waaaay too busy to just harass random ranchers.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    I'm not the author of the article. So don't shoot me as the "bear" in this story.

    I'm just asking if this is legal? I'm just asking is this survellence without a warrant?

    Surely there are lawyers on site who can clarify this point.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    You could be right, if this just a fly by. But I believe this is surrvelance of specific ranches.

    Maybe a "legal eagle" on the board can answer the question.
    I am right. law enforcement can specifically stake out individual houses. they can take pictures, they can use magnification to get a better view. what they are doing is perfectly legal and should be.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I am right. law enforcement can specifically stake out individual houses. they can take pictures, they can use magnification to get a better view. what they are doing is perfectly legal and should be.

    So, in your learned lawyer opinion, this is legal? Thanks.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    So, in your learned lawyer opinion, this is legal? Thanks.
    you are welcome

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Billy-
    no worries, it is just you asked me a direct question about being monitored, and you seemed personally upset the EPA was forcing ranchers into 'lock step'. Not exactly a neutral stance.

    If you don't own a ranch like I do then I tell ya what...

    When I start to run, you just hop up and run too, until then sit tight and watch your sector, I got mine covered...

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    I really dont get why people would be mad that the EPA is monitoring water an ensuring people dont end up drinking ****.
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Highways are public areas, you have no expectation of privacy or private property rights against search and seizure.
    Is there an expectation of privacy from things I can see when I'm not even on your property? Is there an expectation of your privacy when you're standing out on your front lawn in easy view from the street?
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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    The question that comes to my mind: What (Military?) Agency is doing the actual operation of the drones?

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