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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I may be one of the last of men that really knows what fredom is and hates to see it slipping away.
    You mean the freedom to dump toxic chemicals wherever someone pleases? Yeah, ok.....

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It's also the system that demands that businesses must follow regulations on their businesses, which is why business regulators must do what they have to to ensure that businesses are following those regulations.

    And if you don't want business regulators snooping around your business because it's your home then don't make your home your business.

    It's as simple as that. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
    Typical lib response, every time I corner you on one subject you just change the subject, NOW you want to talk about business regulators instead of DEA fly overs huh. I'm done.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Typical lib response, every time I corner you on one subject you just change the subject, NOW you want to talk about business regulators instead of DEA fly overs huh. I'm done.
    Well, considering the thread is about the EPA spying on ranchers, that's the issue at hand here.

    So I suppose it's just your typical conservative response to change the subject from business regulators to DEA fly overs. Glad you're done.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Sawyer-
    You don't need to 'explain' your tax dodge to me, I own creek bottom and that makes my recreational area, mostly hunting, a tax write off. You attempt to game the system by trying to declare your 'backyard' as you call it, a tax write off. But it really doesn't matter if it is a backyard or a quarter section of timber, you don't own the airspace.

    I don't see that as typical whiny conservative, more like just another self-centered citizen.

    You are incorrect to think your/our freedoms are slipping away. YOU never had ownership of the airspace to the heavens. NO ONE in this Republic ever did. You are quite free do continue to walk in the forest, carry a weapon on your property, be secure in your own home. Nothing has been lost except your fantasy of sky ownership.

    You never did answer how many times the DEA chopper hovered over you exchanging meaningful looks.

    You sound a bit paranoid, I hear pot smokers can be that way...

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Sawyer-
    You don't need to 'explain' your tax dodge to me, I own creek bottom and that makes my recreational area, mostly hunting, a tax write off. You attempt to game the system by trying to declare your 'backyard' as you call it, a tax write off. But it really doesn't matter if it is a backyard or a quarter section of timber, you don't own the airspace.

    I don't see that as typical whiny conservative, more like just another self-centered citizen.

    You are incorrect to think your/our freedoms are slipping away. YOU never had ownership of the airspace to the heavens. NO ONE in this Republic ever did. You are quite free do continue to walk in the forest, carry a weapon on your property, be secure in your own home. Nothing has been lost except your fantasy of sky ownership.

    You never did answer how many times the DEA chopper hovered over you exchanging meaningful looks.

    You sound a bit paranoid, I hear pot smokers can be that way...
    You apparently missed my post on the tree farm program, scroll.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Well I'd agree, but did you see where they had a "warrant in hand" to do this? If not, then isn't this action unconstitutional?

    I can see by you post it would be okay with you if they "monitored" your actions every now and again, without cause or warrant. But it wouldn't be okay in my book.


    Just asking.
    The Supreme Court made a ruling on this in 1984 in Oliver v. United States. Open fields are not protected by the Fourth Amendment an. d do not constitute a search. Also, "the public and police lawfully may survey lands from the air".

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Highways are public areas, you have no expectation of privacy or private property rights against search and seizure.
    And ranches are a business that have restrictions. It's not like they're peeping into the bedrooms.

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    Re: EPA Spying on Ranchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    And ranches are a business that have restrictions. It's not like they're peeping into the bedrooms.
    What if the rancher and his wife are enjoying a picnic down by the creek, bottle of wine, a light breeze. Next thing ya know they are rolling around naked on the blanket and then a drone flies over sending pics back for a bunch of gov assholes to leer at. I say this because my wife was gardening topless one day when the DEA chopper swooped in over the hill above us. I should be able to expect privacy in my f**** yard. Dont ya think???

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