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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    In the end we are all human. I wonder if power hunger Chavez will have a change of heart and gain some humility now that he must realize his mortality.
    I hope that he is. Whatever he has done or left undone, he is a child of God, as are we all.

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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Leftists only hate guns in the hands of the people.
    Actually that is not true and vast over-generalization.
    I own several fire arms. 2 shotguns, and a .22.
    Plus "socialist countries" like Cuba you are allowed to own firearms and is protected under the constitution.

    And socialism is brought about by force.
    Some socialism yes. Revolutions etc. However we democratic socialists believe it should be brought through the will of the people

    I know, some of you idealists believe it will all be voluntary and the state will wither away, but it might be time to wake up to reality.
    Yep sure


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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Actually that is not true and vast over-generalization.
    I own several fire arms. 2 shotguns, and a .22.
    Plus "socialist countries" like Cuba you are allowed to own firearms and is protected under the constitution.


    Some socialism yes. Revolutions etc. However we democratic socialists believe it should be brought through the will of the people


    Yep sure
    Venezuela outlawed firearms ammunition altogether. Commercial Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Banned in Venezuela | venezuelanalysis.com

    They even have an Commission for Disarmament.

    In Venezuela carrying a firearm is legal with a permit; however the commission has previously stated that the government’s citizen security policies are aimed at the eventual disarmament of the civilian population.


    Guns in Cuba: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
    And in Cuba all "long guns" are banned. A citizen may own a handgun but it is difficult to get a license, since you have to prove to the government that you have a real need for the handgun.
    Actual gun ownership in Cuba is very low. Not sure what is protected by their constitution since long guns are illegal. Obviously the reasoning is that the few handguns that are allowed are not enough to stage an revolution with.

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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    After reading the Wikipedia article on Hugo Chavez, there's no mention of his supposed death at all. Then I searched "Is Hugo Chavez dead?" on Google, and apparently in April 2012 his dispelled rumors of his death.

    So... is there any actual proof he's dead?

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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    However we democratic socialists believe it should be brought through the will of the people

    But you will never get universal agreement on it however. Even if you were to fashion a majority in support of democratic socialism, say 60%, you would still have 40% of the people opposed. You would have to impose your will upon them by force. In essence, you advocate nothing more than tyranny. In this case, tyranny of the majority. So no matter how benevolent you feel your ideology is, ultimately you will turn to the gun to get what you want.

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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    But you will never get universal agreement on it however. Even if you were to fashion a majority in support of democratic socialism, say 60%, you would still have 40% of the people opposed. You would have to impose your will upon them by force. In essence, you advocate nothing more than tyranny. In this case, tyranny of the majority. So no matter how benevolent you feel your ideology is, ultimately you will turn to the gun to get what you want.
    Same with any form of government and or lack of government which would be anarchy.

    Whether to government ensures your lifestyle although it restricts your choices or a government refuses to do almost anything and leaves you to be potentially destroyed by the world.

    Whether government, buisness or organized crime is all force and persuasion and unless you are in favor of total anarchy there will always be a gun making sure you do not commit wrongs.
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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Same with any form of government and or lack of government which would be anarchy.

    Whether to government ensures your lifestyle although it restricts your choices or a government refuses to do almost anything and leaves you to be potentially destroyed by the world.

    Whether government, buisness or organized crime is all force and persuasion and unless you are in favor of total anarchy there will always be a gun making sure you do not commit wrongs.
    Our American Constitution has been in place for a good deal of time in this country. Do you consider those that have no after the fact that do not agree with the Constitution as being forced to conform? Regardless of how you answer that question America is not a Socialist country as of yet, nor has it ever been Socialist. If this country became Socialist it would only happen through force. But I suspect it wouldnt last long though as a Socialist country. And history agrees with me, the only countries that have remained Socialist of any sort have done so by force.

    So historically Socialism = forced ideology. In fact in all examples Socialism is intolerant of any other form of government.

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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Our American Constitution has been in place for a good deal of time in this country. Do you consider those that have no after the fact that do not agree with the Constitution as being forced to conform? Regardless of how you answer that question America is not a Socialist country as of yet, nor has it ever been Socialist. If this country became Socialist it would only happen through force. But I suspect it wouldnt last long though as a Socialist country. And history agrees with me, the only countries that have remained Socialist of any sort have done so by force.

    So historically Socialism = forced ideology. In fact in all examples Socialism is intolerant of any other form of government.
    Not nessacarily so. Many Native American Societies lasted for thousands of years in society complexes that were incredibally similar to socialism. And some countries although not as totally socialistic today still maintain many socialistic properties of their former governments because in reality it worked for them.
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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    After reading the Wikipedia article on Hugo Chavez, there's no mention of his supposed death at all. Then I searched "Is Hugo Chavez dead?" on Google, and apparently in April 2012 his dispelled rumors of his death.

    So... is there any actual proof he's dead?
    Chavez is running for another six year term. He's not dead. Does he really have incurable cancer? He certainly doesn't act like it.

    I watched him on Spanish language TV the other day, waving to cheering supporters in Venezuela. I'm wondering about the premise of this thread.

    You don't hear a lot about him on the English language TV.
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    Re: Chavez's cancer has 'entered the end stage'

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Venezuela outlawed firearms ammunition altogether. Commercial Sale of Firearms and Ammunition Banned in Venezuela | venezuelanalysis.com


    They even have an Commission for Disarmament.

    In Venezuela carrying a firearm is legal with a permit; however the commission has previously stated that the government’s citizen security policies are aimed at the eventual disarmament of the civilian population.
    Yes i know this. We have gone over this about 3 times already but Venezuela is not the only country ran by those evil dirty leftists you do realize this correct?

    Guns in Cuba: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law
    And in Cuba all "long guns" are banned. A citizen may own a handgun but it is difficult to get a license, since you have to prove to the government that you have a real need for the handgun.
    Yea and the reasons are "
    Cuba are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target, shooting, collection, personal protection"
    Actual gun ownership in Cuba is very low.
    Ok.... Maybe they are not gun hungry?

    Not sure what is protected by their constitution since long guns are illegal.
    It states that they have the right of struggle through the use of arms.

    Obviously the reasoning is that the few handguns that are allowed are not enough to stage an revolution with.
    Yes im sure that is exactly what it is.


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