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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If you notice the first word in my response was the word True. That was in response to the statement "that even prisoners have human rights." So I am not suggesting that prisoners have none. However, a prisoner, by his own actions, does surrender certain rights that you and I take for granted; the most obvious of which is individual liberty. They are in cages, after all. Imprisoning a man for actions that harm another is not an example of 2 wrongs somehow making a right. They are incarcerated as punishment for their behavior and to protect the rights of other members of society from their violent and criminal behavior. While they are there, they should not be subject to mistreatment or subhuman conditions--even if some of them have it coming.
    Ok thanks for the clarification


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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by NameGoesHere View Post
    If they're murderers and child molesters I'm not gonna get to bent out of shape about it.
    these people will one day be back on YOUR streets, ya know.

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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    The problem I have with prisons is that they have somehow become the one size fits all method of punishment. They are acceptable for people who significantly harm other people. They make little sense (to me) as a way to punish non-violent crimes.

    Prisons are a growth industry, now large enough to lobby for more types of crimes and longer confinement. They take people who could certainly be rehabilitated productively and convert them to career criminals instead, thereby assuring repeat business.

    There are some criminals I would enjoy being deprived of "human rights". Since that can't be done selectively, there should be higher standards for these Corporations that grow through societal misfortune.

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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah, but think about it a minute...

    There are tens of thousands of laws on the books... nobody knows them all, not even Scalia.

    It can be a federal felony to bring certain plants and animals into the country, even if you had no idea they were proscrbed and meant no harm you could do 10 years in the pen for it.

    You've probably committed a felony or two and didn't even know it. You can't depend on common sense anymore... IIRC taking and keeping Hawk feathers that you find on the ground is a felony, due to some Endangered Species legislation.

    Seriously, there are things that could get you hard time that you wouldn't even believe are crimes.

    Or, you could shoot some dude who was trying to kill you, and a bad eyewitness (or NO eyewitness, or an ill-considered word on your part) could see you doing time. It happens.

    It's easy to dismiss things like this when you beleive your ox will never be gored, but don't be so sure everyone in prison deserves to be there.
    Seriously, this. Anymore, just because someone is in prison does not automatically mean that they are an incorrigible threat to society.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by NameGoesHere View Post
    If they're murderers and child molesters I'm not gonna get to bent out of shape about it.
    What if they wrote a bad check?

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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    even prisoners have human rights.
    So did their victims. Don't want the time? Don't do the crime.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So did their victims. Don't want the time? Don't do the crime.
    Nobody is debating that part.

    They were sentenced to time, they were not sentenced to malnourishment, maltreatment, etc. People don't seem to realize that. People are sentenced to time in prison, not being beaten up for their crime daily for the amount of time set by the judge.

    If we treat our inmates like animals, then we can't be shocked when they act like them.

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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    even prisoners have human rights.
    True but when the fed spends more on death row inmates than the average American somethings wrong there wouldn't u say?

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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    those demands don't seem to be unreasonable.

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    Re: Virginia prisoners go on hunger strike

    To put the Onion in perspective, it is the highest maximum security prison in Va. To qualify for membership, you have been determined unfit for imprisonment in any other Va prison. They are considered extremely dangerous.

    No paper passers or multiple DUI's here.

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