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    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    OBL was made a martyr when they killed him. I don't see how that makes a difference.
    That's because you don't understand the Islamic culture. Everyone in Islam is a martyr. The difference is that living martyrs are the dangerous ones. A living martyr becomes a "political prisoner." He is an ongoing martyr that becomes the object for enduring violence "until released." Munich, in 1972, was about "political prisoners." Even Osama Bin Laden used the words "starving children of Iraq" .........not "starved" (not that he really cared either way).

    The reason for this is because of Islamic Sunni code. Because it is such a great offense to idol worship, Muhammad is not physically portrayed in painting or currency. The Sunni persecute the Shia over shrines to their "martyrs" because it offers an alternate source to worpship other than God. There are no "Marys" or "Saints" within Islam to commemorate events and invoke a measure of prayer and worship. Ali is as close a dead martyr you are going to get (within the Shia sect only). The Sunni hate the memory of Ali (90 percent of Islam report to be Sunni). The truth is for all of Islam's preaching about their dead, they move on quite quickly. He may become a martyr in local thought, but other than that he is forgotton. He is a gravestone. A shallow memory. Where are the attacks to avenge Osama Bin Laden's death? Even if a future terrorist attack develops, the event will simply use his death as an excuse (any excuse will do). An imprisoned Osama Bin Laden would give plenty of excuses to people who are always looking for one and they will always have their living "political prisoners."

    Therefore, Osama Bin Laden is just another dead asshole in the long war against infidels and Western oppression. Tossing him in the ocean merely closed the book without the long drawn out media splashing that would have invoked angers.
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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Nope, he was made into fish food, and removed from the view of anyone wishing to enshrine him...out of site, out of mind is quite accurate in this case. That you see no difference is not important, that THEY do is very important.
    that move, to dump his body in the ocean, so that his burial site would not become a destination point, was inspired
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So you consider it ok if Saddam had tried to assasinate the President?
    No. Not because it's an assination, but its trying to kill my President.

    Just like I wouldn't want someone punching my mother even if they had a decent reason...but wouldn't have an issue with my mother punching someone for good reason.

    It's not unrealistic or unusual for people to care more about their own interests than those of others, let alone of adversaries.

    I think many of the notions of international laws and ethics regarding war are completely asinine and ridiculous...having an ounce of purpose ONLY in situations where the combatants on both sides are willfully and strictly remaining within those standards. I think attempting to adhere to such things on one side while the other side defies them openly and continually is akin to being dumb enough to enter into a fight with both arms tied behind your back. It's not ethical, it's not moral, it's retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    ....Since long before Obama. This just adds to the joke of "Hope" and "Change." If Americans understood the world they live in and their nation's history, politicians wouldn't get away with all the BS that gets them elected. The finger pointing of dead civilians, disrespect to soveriegnty, and the promise of transparency on the campaign trail didn't amount to much once he got to the White House and got slapped in the face by reality. The slogan that "a vote for McCain is like a vote for Bush" gave us Bush anyway.

    Strangely enough my issues with Obama in 08 wasn't largely based around his foreign policy stances regarding national defense because...to be frank...I trusted George W. Bush's statement to him that he should hold off on making promises until he see's the intel. Every bit of contacts I have within the various fields that touch the Intelligence world hint to a reality different than what a lot of average people think or assume. Obama following much of Bush's path, with natural evolutoins and with political camoflauge at times, didn't shock me in the least.

    It's funny...Nicholson's speech in a Few Good Men was meant to be portrayed as a bad thing it seems, and yet in many ways it rings true. What's beyond that Wall is a nasty, nasty thing and people have the stomach to bitch about it only because they don't have to be the ones on that wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Strangely enough my issues with Obama in 08 wasn't largely based around his foreign policy stances regarding national defense because...to be frank...I trusted George W. Bush's statement to him that he should hold off on making promises until he see's the intel. Every bit of contacts I have within the various fields that touch the Intelligence world hint to a reality different than what a lot of average people think or assume. Obama following much of Bush's path, with natural evolutoins and with political camoflauge at times, didn't shock me in the least.

    It's funny...Nicholson's speech in a Few Good Men was meant to be portrayed as a bad thing it seems, and yet in many ways it rings true. What's beyond that Wall is a nasty, nasty thing and people have the stomach to bitch about it only because they don't have to be the ones on that wall.
    and we really can't handle the unvarnished truth
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Wow... Well civil liberties i guess is just thrown out of the door. How has this not gone to the USSC? Is our country really taking this ****ing road?

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    Politically, this will only effect Obama's base. The rest are probably for or apathetic to such a practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and we really can't handle the unvarnished truth
    Like so many things, there's a clear sports analogy to me here....

    It's with football and the bounty stuff and the Greg Williams audio. All the fans wanted to be outraged and disgusted and so upset about what a horrible mindset and speech that was. They get concerned about the concussions and lives of players after football. At the same time...are they stopping watching football? Nope, they're watching it more than ever. What plays on defense get the most fan attention...the youtube hits, the twitter comments, the ESPN highlights? The huge jaw breaking hits. Who are some of fan favorite defense players in the league? Many of your rush LB's/DE's whose entire job is to smash the quarterback or your hard hitting LB's and Safety's who lay the wood. You have players coming out saying that the type of statements being used aren't uncommon and been around for years upon years...it's the mentality, the mindset, the view point you have to possess as a Defensive player. You think LT, one of the most celebrated defensive players of all time, wasn't thinking he wanted to just absolutely destroy someone? As a Redskins fans, some of our fondest memories of old players come when they're telling stories about how they were lined up across from Dany White and told him they were going to put him out of the game...and did. Do we as fans want to see people get injured? No. But we want to see the massive big hits that could lead to injury. We want our Defensive players going at it with the mentality to get those hits. But we don't want to have to admit that we want the mindset off the field that facilitates that, we don't want to admit that the dark and gritty and unfortunate parts that lead to the things we love exist or at the very least we want to ignore them until we're forced to see them...at which point we poopoo them and act like we're so good and righteous but know come September we're going to be salivating to see our LB's crush the Rival QB.

    Fights are nasty things...whether it's a one on one ally brawl or full scale war. There's nothing really pretty or sweet or clean about them. They are dirty, nasty, ugly things that sometimes are necessary despite that dirty, nasty, and ugliness. Those of us who don't have to be involved in those fights...we are lucky in that we get to mostly keep our hands clean and enjoy the benefits of those who don't. However, the more we attempt to convince ourselves that somehow our little bubble world is no different than the nasty, dirty, ugly one they live in and the more we try to tell them how they need to survive in that world of theirs then the closer and closer we get to a time where that nasty, dirty, ugly world is going to end up popping that bubble....and god help all those idiots who think they know how to handle the muck at that point in time.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Obama following much of Bush's path, with natural evolutoins and with political camoflauge at times, didn't shock me in the least.
    Given the nation's interests, it is not surprising that continuity is a dominant theme in U.S. foreign policy regardless of who is President. Until changes take place in objective conditions, differences in approach typically are closer to cosmetic than substantive in nature. The Cold War with frequent changes between Democratic and Republican Presidents provides a good case in point. A central focus on U.S. foreign policy involved limiting the Soviet Union's influence/ability to shape a global evolution toward its interests, with smaller variations. Accommodation became possible only under President Reagan when fundamental changes in the Soviet Union, namely the accumulation of unfavorable domestic changes, dramatically impaired its capacity to sustain its ideological crusade. President Reagan's wisdom involved understanding the impact a growing contrast between the domestic evolution in the USSR and bolstered strength of the U.S. could have--putting national defense considerations ahead of fiscal ones to accelerate that contrast--and then seizing the moment to conclude agreements when the objective conditions had created a favorable opportunity.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    if its possible, we should try to arrest these folks first.

    but if its just going to end up getting our men killed, then just blow em' up.

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