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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Bush used the "bring it on" tactic, sending 100's of thousands of GI's as targets for terrorist attacks. His invasion of Iraq more than doubled the # new Alqeada members who flocked to Iraq to get a piece of one of our soldiers. The beauty of the drone is that there are no targets to entice new recruits and there is no escape from their prying eyes.
    Bush fought the war against terrorists and he fought it on the battlefield of the day> Obama is doing the same. Mad props to both and loud laughter at the partisan hacks that equivocate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Ok, YOU go arrest them then.
    The fact is that drones are the only way to end this war. It is a uniquely effective weapon against this kind of enemy. If you want Alqeada to continue to plan attacks we could always do nothing.
    Tell me again in 10 years how drones have ended the war. lol that is very very very optimistic thinking.

    I have np with police shooting some guy who is holding a gun to someones head threatening to kill them. I do see a difference when you lob a missle through the guys home and kill him, his wife, kid etc because you believe he has or is plotting to kill someone. One is done when lives are on the line the other is done when no lives are in immediate danger.
    What happens if they get the wrong person on the kill list? Can't happen? hmm kinda like the WMD in Iraq?
    If we are talking a case by case situation where they go OK we found this guy "Bob" hes at X place, only chance we got to get him with no risk to us is a drone strike, then I can sorta understand. But to have a list where regardless if you can take them alive, you just go in and kill, I think a line has been crossed that should not be crossed.



    You keep talking about drones etc. Yet OBL was killed not with drones but by people on the ground. They were ordered to KILL, to ASSASINATE. If Obama had said. Ok go in there and take him alive if you can, but don't risk your lives kill if necesssary, I'd understand, it is reasonable, He didn't he said KILL.
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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Tell me again in 10 years how drones have ended the war. lol that is very very very optimistic thinking.

    I have np with police shooting some guy who is holding a gun to someones head threatening to kill them. I do see a difference when you lob a missle through the guys home and kill him, his wife, kid etc because you believe he has or is plotting to kill someone. One is done when lives are on the line the other is done when no lives are in immediate danger.
    What happens if they get the wrong person on the kill list? Can't happen? hmm kinda like the WMD in Iraq?
    If we are talking a case by case situation where they go OK we found this guy "Bob" hes at X place, only chance we got to get him with no risk to us is a drone strike, then I can sorta understand. But to have a list where regardless if you can take them alive, you just go in and kill, I think a line has been crossed that should not be crossed.



    You keep talking about drones etc. Yet OBL was killed not with drones but by people on the ground. They were ordered to KILL, to ASSASINATE. If Obama had said. Ok go in there and take him alive if you can, but don't risk your lives kill if necesssary, I'd understand, it is reasonable, He didn't he said KILL.
    And my heart bleeds for him......You have no idea what a bad idea it would have been to take Bin Laden alive and make him a martyr. It would have been better to leave him alone, free and planning more attacks. Is that what you really think?

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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Bush fought the war against terrorists and he fought it on the battlefield of the day> Obama is doing the same. Mad props to both and loud laughter at the partisan hacks that equivocate.
    Bush lured terrorists into Iraq by sending targets for them to hunt. That's what I meant by the "bring it on" strategy and it did not work out too well.

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    ...Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.
    wow.......

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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And my heart bleeds for him......You have no idea what a bad idea it would have been to take Bin Laden alive and make him a martyr. It would have been better to leave him alone, free and planning more attacks. Is that what you really think?
    OBL was made a martyr when they killed him. I don't see how that makes a difference. Where in anything that I've said did i mention it would be better to leave him free to plan more attacks?
    As to it being war, well what about the war on drugs? should we just shoot every drug dealer and suspected drug dealer? it is war after all!
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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    From a purely pragmatic perspective we should really be questioning the effectiveness of these strikes. To do that we should answer the following question: Are we creating more terrorists than we are killing with these actions?

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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    OBL was made a martyr when they killed him. I don't see how that makes a difference. Where in anything that I've said did i mention it would be better to leave him free to plan more attacks?
    As to it being war, well what about the war on drugs? should we just shoot every drug dealer and suspected drug dealer? it is war after all!
    only if in our war on poverty our nation decides the right thing to do is to kill every poor man, woman and child
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Wow... Well civil liberties i guess is just thrown out of the door. How has this not gone to the USSC? Is our country really taking this ****ing road?

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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    OBL was made a martyr when they killed him. I don't see how that makes a difference. ....snip....
    Nope, he was made into fish food, and removed from the view of anyone wishing to enshrine him...out of site, out of mind is quite accurate in this case. That you see no difference is not important, that THEY do is very important.

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