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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Perhaps, context and a complete reading would help here...It really irritates me when people purposefully cherry pick headlines to promote opinion.

    "WASHINGTON — This was the enemy, served up in the latest chart from the intelligence agencies: 15 Qaeda suspects in Yemen with Western ties. The mug shots and brief biographies resembled a high school yearbook layout. Several were Americans. Two were teenagers, including a girl who looked even younger than her 17 years.

    Tribesmen protested in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, against ties with the United States, just days after President Obama took office in January 2009.
    Gerald Herbert/Associated Press

    President Obama, overseeing the regular Tuesday counterterrorism meeting of two dozen security officials in the White House Situation Room, took a moment to study the faces. It was Jan. 19, 2010, the end of a first year in office punctuated by terrorist plots and culminating in a brush with catastrophe over Detroit on Christmas Day, a reminder that a successful attack could derail his presidency. Yet he faced adversaries without uniforms, often indistinguishable from the civilians around them.

    “How old are these people?” he asked, according to two officials present. “If they are starting to use children,” he said of Al Qaeda, “we are moving into a whole different phase.”

    It was not a theoretical question: Mr. Obama has placed himself at the helm of a top secret “nominations” process to designate terrorists for kill or capture, of which the capture part has become largely theoretical. He had vowed to align the fight against Al Qaeda with American values; the chart, introducing people whose deaths he might soon be asked to order, underscored just what a moral and legal conundrum this could be. "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/wo...pagewanted=all
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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this is war, not a domestic adversary
    the enemy is the enemy
    with no presumption of innocence

    via the kill list, we can take out the principals who oppose our nation while better avoiding civilian collateral damage
    So you consider it ok if Saddam had tried to assasinate the President?
    I see this this is an assasination list not as acts of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So you consider it ok if Saddam had tried to assasinate the President?
    I see this this is an assasination list not as acts of war.
    it's what we do in war
    kill the enemy
    nothing has changed ... except our ability to now better limit civilian casualties by selectively targeting our enemy opponents with drones
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    The idea in war is to force the other side to accept your will. Killing is part of it, so is capturing the enemy. As is understand it the order was to kill OBL, not capture or kill. The take no prisoners thing is disturbing to me.
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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    The idea in war is to force the other side to accept your will. Killing is part of it, so is capturing the enemy. As is understand it the order was to kill OBL, not capture or kill. The take no prisoners thing is disturbing to me.
    I am disturbed by it as well...yet I would find it more disturbing to have lost a Seal Team and captured a man who would inspire even more destruction by his lunatic fringe, while we tried to figure out where to put him, how to charge him, where to have a trial, and where the next freakin' nut job was gonna blow something up or kidnap someone demanding we let him go.

    I refuse to second guess the very people we have charged with knowing the details, and what to do with them.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Does this mean all those secret agent novels I read my whole life were not at all based on reality and that just now, Obusha has created the first time we have used assassination as a method of cold warfare?

    Personally, I've always thought we should attack leaderships instead of draftees and civilians. Not many agree with me on this.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and when that happened, i wouldn't have the capacity to actually care

    but i have reason to believe, since i am not at war with my country, to believe my name has no reason to appear on that list
    assange, probably not so much
    Many on the "no fly" list thought the same thing, until they were yanked from the flight at the ripe old age of 2. ;-)
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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I am disturbed by it as well...yet I would find it more disturbing to have lost a Seal Team and captured a man who would inspire even more destruction by his lunatic fringe, while we tried to figure out where to put him, how to charge him, where to have a trial, and where the next freakin' nut job was gonna blow something up or kidnap someone demanding we let him go.

    I refuse to second guess the very people we have charged with knowing the details, and what to do with them.
    I don't think making him a martyr makes his followers any less dangerous.
    If they said capture or kill and he got killed well it happens. The order to just kill is an order to assasinate and it bothers me greatly. As to second guessing, i'm not saying to second guess but to question is not only a good idea but necessary to a democracy. I would not second guess the actions of the members of seal team six if they had the orders to capture or kill (or even just capture) and OBL got his head blown off. Things happen and they can happen quickly. But If you think that the president has a right to order assasinations they you should never scream foul if any American citizens are assasinated by the enemy, after all it is just the way war is fought.
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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    But If you think that the president has a right to order assasinations they you should never scream foul if any American citizens are assasinated by the enemy, after all it is just the way war is fought.

    Personally, I do not cry foul....I expect them to be destroyed.

    Oh wait....that's what we are doing.

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    Re: Obama's Secret Kill List

    Not too much further until its to:

    "Who painted my roses red? Off with their head."

    All that's left now is for the Crimson Prince to pave the way for the Crimson Queen. Watch for the naves.

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