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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    She was given a chance but didn't follow the Court's orders. She received far less than she should have been given for her contempt.
    Excluding the fat that the judge has leeway, and the idea is totally absurd to begin with.

    How can anyone say it is fine for somebody to be put in jail for something like this? Yes, the law exists, but there is a difference between having to / should enforce the law, and whether or not it is a good idea, right?
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Excluding the fat that the judge has leeway, and the idea is totally absurd to begin with.

    How can anyone say it is fine for somebody to be put in jail for something like this? Yes, the law exists, but there is a difference between having to / should enforce the law, and whether or not it is a good idea, right?
    "She was given a chance but didn't follow the Court's orders. She received far less than she should have been given for her contempt."

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes - bleeding hearts and all.
    Where are you going to draw the line?
    She had her chance and screwed the pooch. That is where I draw it.
    Some consider rules and laws as mere suggestions, until they are the victim, then the law is not nearly harsh enough. ;-)
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    If the law and justice were perfect synonyms, you would be absolutely right. But all too frequently we forget they aren't - never have been, never will

    If the law produces negative consequences for noble actions, then the law is unjust and should be ignored. This is one of those cases.
    We can not allow judges to excuse the theft of food by the hungry, speeding on the highway due to an 'emergency' or the execution of "bad folks" that just plain needed killing. The law is the law and only a jury may 'nullify' it.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If this were the case then vigilantism would be an AOK thing in peoples minds.
    As it should be! You see where I'm going with this.

    The law is a means to the end that is justice. If the law fails in that task, then it is without purpose.

    Or do you believe in obeying "the law" for its own sake?

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are YOU saying that the judge is wrong, or that the law that the judge applied is wrong? There is a BIG difference. Does the LAW allow the judge to consider WHY the non-attendance should be "allowed" in this case? We can't have judges simply say they THINK that cretain illegal behavior is excused for "personal" reasons. The law is probably too narrow, yet that is not the fault of the judge - direct your anger at the root cause of the problem. We can not allow judges to excuse the theft of food by the hungry, the speeding of those on the highway due to an 'emergency' or the execution of those bad folks that just plain needed killing. The law is the law and only a jury may 'nullify' it.
    You apparently have not read the OP's link or the subsequent posts in this thread. There was no law that forced this judge to give her a permanent arrest record; by the judge's own words, he chose to do so (without considering her personal circumstances) as a deterrent to others. He did not find out why she was having such difficulty, he did not discover that she was working two jobs because her parents had abandoned her to care for her siblings, he did not take into consideration that her grades were high enough that she was on the honor roll, he did not inquire of this MINOR child to obtain the information necessary to realize that this MINOR child required State CPS Assistance.

    That IS the fault of the judge.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We can not allow judges to excuse the theft of food by the hungry, speeding on the highway due to an 'emergency' or the execution of "bad folks" that just plain needed killing. The law is the law and only a jury may 'nullify' it.
    Laws against the acts you speak of are not unjust, because the acts they criminalize ARE unjust themselves. The law's the only purpose is the pursuit of justice; if in a given situation it does not serve that object, then in that case it ought to be ignored.
    Last edited by Black_Zawisza; 05-30-12 at 08:45 PM.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    As it should be! You see where I'm going with this.

    The law is a means to the end that is justice. If the law fails in that task, then it is without purpose.

    Or do you believe in obeying "the law" for its own sake?
    So what justice would there be if this girl got away with truancy just because she is an honor student and works two jobs? Why shouldn't that other guy that isn't an honor student and doesn't work two jobs get away with truancy?
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    You apparently have not read the OP's link or the subsequent posts in this thread. There was no law that forced this judge to give her a permanent arrest record; by the judge's own words, he chose to do so (without considering her personal circumstances) as a deterrent to others. He did not find out why she was having such difficulty, he did not discover that she was working two jobs because her parents had abandoned her to care for her siblings, he did not take into consideration that her grades were high enough that she was on the honor roll, he did not inquire of this MINOR child to obtain the information necessary to realize that this MINOR child required State CPS Assistance.

    That IS the fault of the judge.
    You act as if she is doing this all by herself. As if she is fully taking care of her siblings and everything else. She is not. She is living with relatives. The video in the OP does say that.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So what justice would there be if this girl got away with truancy just because she is an honor student and works two jobs? Why shouldn't that other guy that isn't an honor student and doesn't work two jobs get away with truancy?
    Because school is for learning, not for having a butt in a certain place. For many, it is necessary that they be in class because otherwise they wouldn't even try to learn. This girl can learn without being in the class most of the time. She has proven to be quite capable of proving she can handle the learning part of school without actually being there. And she works very hard to do it.

    That other guy is obviously not willing to work hard to fulfill the purpose of school, learning the stuff. That's why the other person should not get away with it. If they are willing to work hard to get those grades and actually show they can learn the stuff, they should also be allowed some leeway based on their circumstances.
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