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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, we're treating her like she should be treated. I see no one here treating her as if she deserved life in prison. 1 day in jail is hardly a death sentence.
    Actually,you are treating her the way YOU would treat her.Some of us have a little more compassion.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I agree,its a seventeen year old girl supporting her lil sis.Let's cut the girl a little slack people.Some of the posters are treating her like sheis some career criminal.
    She was cut slack the first time.
    She didn't follow the Court's order and should be held accountable for doing so.
    24 hours is nothing.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Some of us have a little more compassion.
    Yes - bleeding hearts and all.
    Where are you going to draw the line?
    She had her chance and screwed the pooch. That is where I draw it.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Actually,you are treating her the way YOU would treat her.Some of us have a little more compassion.
    So? You say you have more compassion. But is it really compassion if she doesn't learn that there are consequences to ones actions? No matter how noble those actions?

    I once tried to keep a couple from taking their 16 year old daughter home because they were drunk and known (but not proven) to be abusive. (the 16 year old had asked for my help in this) When the cops arrived they told me that I was not allowed to do that by law and that if the couple wanted they could press charges. (thankfully they didn't) No matter if I thought that there was just cause to do so or not. The cops even agreed that I was morally in the right. Even if not legally right. Of course I knew that I could get in trouble legally for doing this. But I still did it. I was willing to accept the consequences of my actions. How is this 17 year old any different in her choices?

    And yes, if either of my kids did something wrong, I gave them a warning and then they did the same thing wrong again, I would punish them. That is a part of parenting. That is a part of a parents job. My job is not to be their friend. But to be their parent. A judge is the same way. They are not there to be friends. They are there to enforce the law. Just like a parent enforces the laws when their child screws up.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So? You say you have more compassion. But is it really compassion if she doesn't learn that there are consequences to ones actions? No matter how noble those actions?

    I once tried to keep a couple from taking their 16 year old daughter home because they were drunk and known (but not proven) to be abusive. (the 16 year old had asked for my help in this) When the cops arrived they told me that I was not allowed to do that by law and that if the couple wanted they could press charges. (thankfully they didn't) No matter if I thought that there was just cause to do so or not. The cops even agreed that I was morally in the right. Even if not legally right. Of course I knew that I could get in trouble legally for doing this. But I still did it. I was willing to accept the consequences of my actions. How is this 17 year old any different in her choices?

    And yes, if either of my kids did something wrong, I gave them a warning and then they did the same thing wrong again, I would punish them. That is a part of parenting. That is a part of a parents job. My job is not to be their friend. But to be their parent. A judge is the same way. They are not there to be friends. They are there to enforce the law. Just like a parent enforces the laws when their child screws up.
    If the law and justice were perfect synonyms, you would be absolutely right. But all too frequently we forget they aren't - never have been, never will

    If the law produces negative consequences for noble actions, then the law is unjust and should be ignored. This is one of those cases.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    If the law and justice were perfect synonyms, you would be absolutely right. But all too frequently we forget they aren't - never have been, never will

    If the law produces negative consequences for noble actions, then the law is unjust and should be ignored. This is one of those cases.
    If this were the case then vigilantism would be an AOK thing in peoples minds.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And how do you know she wasn't?
    The judge spoke completely about the case, his thoughts, his actions and possible future dealings. As follows: "Judge Moriarty told KHOU 11 News that he intended to make an example of Tran by placing her in jail. "If you let one run loose, what are you going to do with the rest of them? Let them go, too?" Moriarty told the station. He also said , regarding the record that Ms. Tran will have, "I hadn’t thought on that issue because it turns me, ‘Well, he’s soft. He’s not gonna do nothing.’ I’m taking off at 11:30 today," said the judge. He also stated he may reconsider the sentence.

    The had an affirmative duty to act and did not state he did. What the judge was concerned with was how he would be perceived by the public which runs contrary to the Canon 3 of the Canons of Judicial Conduct, specifically:

    "Code of Judicial Conduct
    CANON 3
    Performing the Duties of Judicial Office Impartially and Diligently
    B. Adjudicative Responsibilities.
    (2) A judge should be faithful to the law and shall maintain professional competence in it. A judge shall not be swayed by partisan interests, public clamor, or fear of criticism."
    Texas Courts Online | Code of Judicial Conduct

    She appeared pro se, the judge has ethical duties in this instance as well: "Judges also have ethical duties they must comply with when presiding over cases involving pro se litigants. Canon 3 of the Canons of Judicial Conduct requires judges to perform the duties of their office impartially. Judges, however, must balance considerations of fairness to represented parties with due process requirements mandating that pro se litigants receive meaningful hearings. This balancing act requires judges to make difficult decisions, such as determining how much guidance to give a pro se litigant on substantive law or how to treat a meritorious case when the pro se litigant has failed to comply with court procedures, while remaining impartial to both the represented and pro se parties."
    Pro Se Litigation: Best Practices from a Judge’s Perspective – University of Richmond Law Review

    This judge is simply not a good jurist.




    Being refered to someone to assess her does not give them the ability to tell her what to do, they can only suggest or make a plea to the courts...which can take months at the least. Until such time they are not in charge of her decisions or her guardians decisions
    I never said it did. I was speaking more of food stamps and other types of assistance.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    The judge was an asshole. If he'd done his job properly, quizzing her about why it was so difficult for her to actually be in school since her grades put her on the honor roll, he would have learned that this minor child had been abandoned by her parents, was trying to support two siblings and herself, and needed State Assistance, not punishment.

    Anyone on this thread who actually read the linked story and still says this kid deserves jail is doing so for the lulz.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This judge is simply not a good jurist.
    Sorry I didn't know you were the judge of all judges. lol

    His decision was fine.



    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Anyone on this thread who actually read the linked story and still says this kid deserves jail is doing so for the lulz.
    Anybody who is complaining about her paltry 24 hours is crying over spilted milk.

    She was given a chance but didn't follow the Court's orders. She received far less than she should have been given for her contempt.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The judge was an asshole. If he'd done his job properly, quizzing her about why it was so difficult for her to actually be in school since her grades put her on the honor roll, he would have learned that this minor child had been abandoned by her parents, was trying to support two siblings and herself, and needed State Assistance, not punishment.

    Anyone on this thread who actually read the linked story and still says this kid deserves jail is doing so for the lulz.
    Are YOU saying that the judge is wrong, or that the law that the judge applied is wrong? There is a BIG difference. Does the LAW allow the judge to consider WHY the non-attendance should be "allowed" in this case? We can't have judges simply say they THINK that cretain illegal behavior is excused for "personal" reasons. The law is probably too narrow, yet that is not the fault of the judge - direct your anger at the root cause of the problem. We can not allow judges to excuse the theft of food by the hungry, the speeding of those on the highway due to an 'emergency' or the execution of those bad folks that just plain needed killing. The law is the law and only a jury may 'nullify' it.
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