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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    She was choosing what was most important to her. If she had three jobs, and she wasn't making it to one of them because of that then she likely would have been fired, not put in jail. But, that would have been her choice. She wouldn't have been forced to be at any job just due to her age like she is school. If she was and she was still keeping up with the work at the job even if she wasn't there, then they would be stupid to fire her.
    If she is not going to work then she is not "keeping up with her work". As going to work is a part of her work. So yes, she still would have been fired. Unless the job in question allows her to not have to be at work in order to get the work done. There are quite a few jobs that do not allow that.

    Also there is no law that requires that one has to be at work. So of course she wouldn't have been put in jail for not going to work. However there is a law in Texas which requires her to go to school. A law which says that she can go to jail for not attending school.

    You are right that she chose what was important to her and did those things. But she also chose to not heed the warning the first time she was in front of the judge. Again, her choice. If a person decided that it was important to them to kill another person would you apply the same reasoning as you did here? I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't. What is or isn't important to her is immaterial. What is material is that she chose to skip school. She chose to ignore the warning that the judge gave her the first time around.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If she is not going to work then she is not "keeping up with her work". As going to work is a part of her work. So yes, she still would have been fired. Unless the job in question allows her to not have to be at work in order to get the work done. There are quite a few jobs that do not allow that.
    Which is why I said if she was keeping up with her work, as she is doing in school, with a job, they would be stupid for firing her. She would have the choice as to what the job was, not the state. She would not be forced to work at that job just due to her age.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Also there is no law that requires that one has to be at work. So of course she wouldn't have been put in jail for not going to work. However there is a law in Texas which requires her to go to school. A law which says that she can go to jail for not attending school.
    The law is wrong. She was doing the work required for her to meet the reason for her being in school, to learn. That is what should matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You are right that she chose what was important to her and did those things. But she also chose to not heed the warning the first time she was in front of the judge. Again, her choice. If a person decided that it was important to them to kill another person would you apply the same reasoning as you did here? I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't. What is or isn't important to her is immaterial. What is material is that she chose to skip school. She chose to ignore the warning that the judge gave her the first time around.
    A warning that she should not have received in the first place because the judge should have made the consideration that she was working to support herself and her siblings in the absence of adults, likely so they wouldn't be separated and she was keeping up with her grades. The judge is the one who is wrong here, not the girl.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Here we go again, wanting the judiciary to alter the laws for what they SHOULD have said, rather than for what they actually say. If the law is wrong, then change the law, or request a jury trial and perhaps get the jury to 'nullify' the law in that case. To blame the judge for following the law, as written by the legislature and signed by the governor, is insane. Do we really want ALL judges to do that, on a case by case basis? That gets us very, very far from equal protection under the law, as some will get 'nice' judges (that bend the law) and some get 'mean' judges (that enforce the law as written).
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Here we go again, wanting the judiciary to alter the laws for what they SHOULD have said, rather than for what they actually say. If the law is wrong, then change the law, or request a jury trial and perhaps get the jury to 'nullify' the law in that case. To blame the judge for following the law, as written by the legislature and signed by the governor, is insane. Do we really want ALL judges to do that, on a case by case basis? That gets us very, very far from equal protection under the law, as some will get 'nice' judges (that bend the law) and some get 'mean' judges (that enforce the law as written).
    There job is to judge on a case by case basis. To determine the facts of the case and make rational judgments based on those facts. Otherwise we might as well have a society similar to Judge Dredd in which LE sentences a person based solely on a violation of a specific law with no regard to the circumstances at hand.

    Justice should be blind to arbitrary characteristics of the accused, but it should not be black and white. The circumstances of the situation should come into play for any justice to really be served.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    My God, this girl is a textbook Randian hero in the flesh.

    If this is the whole truth, then I weep for the supposed "land of the free".
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    My God, this girl is a textbook Randian hero in the flesh.

    If this is the whole truth, then I weep for the supposed "land of the free".
    I agree,its a seventeen year old girl supporting her lil sis.Let's cut the girl a little slack people.Some of the posters are treating her like sheis some career criminal.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So what are you saying? That Ms. Tran should have been taken away and put in foster care or some such? Thats even more harsh than what this judge sentenced Ms. Tran for.

    Also as far as I know it is legal for 17 year olds to work in any state. Now if you can prove that Ms. Tran was forced by either of her parents to work and have the extensive curriculum that she had then you might have a case. But if she willingly chose to work and willingly wanted that curriculum then you have no basis to apply Abuse or Neglect to this situation.
    No she should have been referred for services as I previously stated, then those who are charged with assessing her could have made a decision regarding what to do with this minor. There are several options and she may be eligible for various programs to assist her.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is why I said if she was keeping up with her work, as she is doing in school, with a job, they would be stupid for firing her. She would have the choice as to what the job was, not the state. She would not be forced to work at that job just due to her age.
    Whether she was keeping up with her work in school or not is irrelevent. As has already been stated, that is not a requirement for this law to apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The law is wrong. She was doing the work required for her to meet the reason for her being in school, to learn. That is what should matter.
    If you believe the law to be wrong then change it.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A warning that she should not have received in the first place because the judge should have made the consideration that she was working to support herself and her siblings in the absence of adults, likely so they wouldn't be separated and she was keeping up with her grades. The judge is the one who is wrong here, not the girl.
    There was no absense of adults. Where did you get that? She's been living with relatives along with her siblings according to that video in the OP.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I agree,its a seventeen year old girl supporting her lil sis.Let's cut the girl a little slack people.Some of the posters are treating her like sheis some career criminal.
    No, we're treating her like she should be treated. I see no one here treating her as if she deserved life in prison. 1 day in jail is hardly a death sentence.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    No she should have been referred for services as I previously stated, then those who are charged with assessing her could have made a decision regarding what to do with this minor. There are several options and she may be eligible for various programs to assist her.
    And how do you know she wasn't? Being refered to someone to assess her does not give them the ability to tell her what to do, they can only suggest or make a plea to the courts...which can take months at the least. Until such time they are not in charge of her decisions or her guardians decisions.
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