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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    She was faced with no good choices. She chose to do what was virtuous, which also apparently happened to result in a violation of the judges order.
    lol
    She did not choose to be virtuous.


    She knew her situation (whatever that may be) and chose to disobey a court order instead of taking steps and making arrangements to follow it.
    That is a somewhat severe violation of which she needs to learn something about.
    24 hours in a jail cell will do her good.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is not hyperbole, absolutely not. Most people simply wouldn't be able to sustain it, and something would indeed give way, catastrophically. That you can't see that is just blindness.
    It is hyperbole.
    I have lived it. I was emancipated and supported three people. Don't give me this crap about blindness.
    You are blind because you think her actions in violating a court order is virtuous.
    Yeah ... right! And you want to talk about blindness.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    lol
    She did not choose to be virtuous.


    She knew her situation (whatever that may be) and chose to disobey a court order instead of taking steps and making arrangements to follow it.
    That is a somewhat severe violation of which she needs to learn something about.
    24 hours in a jail cell will do her good.


    It is hyperbole.
    I have lived it. I was emancipated and supported three people. Don't give me this crap about blindness.
    You are blind because you think her actions in violating a court order is virtuous.
    Yeah ... right! And you want to talk about blindness.
    LOL, right back at ya', hehe. She was working two jobs, going to school full time, getting awesome grades, with no parent figures around. Then she just decided to what? Throw all the hard work out the window and become a rebellious truant for no good reason? Yeah, she was probably just wanting to throw in a little partying or something those days cuz she just didn't have enough to do, and was trying to round out a light schedule. My bad.

    Your interpretation would be laughable, if it wasn't so sadly arrogant. And your attempt to establish credibility is convenient and literally unbelievable.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I see no missteps on his part.
    He gave her a chance the first time.
    I have no problem with that.

    She misstepped.



    Pffft!
    You have read my views, you have been informed that the judge stated he may reconsider the facts and his ruling. Please note I am not attempting to change your mind, it does not matter. When in a position of authority where you decision carries a record that follows a person through their lifetime there is a greater responsibility to look at all options and not rest with what you think you know, but, look to the actual facts of the case and weigh all the options to the applicable facts.

    Here are some other perspectives:

    • Houston defense attorney Ned Barnett on Tuesday called the ruling "outrageous" and said "a little discretion should have been used" in the teenager's case. "It doesn’t take much discretion to have sympathy for Miss Tran," Barnett said. "To lock her up is just outrageous." Barnett, who is not defending Tran, said the girl likely spent her 24-hour jail sentence at Montgomery County Jail surrounded by suspected murderers, drug addicts and prostitutes.
    • Houston Councilman Al Hoang said what he worries about most is Tran's record. "I’m going to ask the judge to expunge the record," Hoang told FoxNews.com. "The truancy laws should be applied case by case and in this case, it should not be applied. I believe Judge Moriarty should have used his discretionary power to excuse her from this matter."



    Texas honor student jailed for truancy likely spent night with 'hard-core' criminals

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    LOL, right back at ya', hehe.
    Yeah ... What ever!



    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    She was working two jobs,
    How many hours? She alleges a full time and a part time.
    But we don't know that to be true, you know why?
    Because the story is pretty much absent specifics.




    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    going to school full time,
    No... That is what this is all about.
    She should have been going full time but she wasn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Then she just decided to what? Throw all the hard work out the window and become a rebellious truant for no good reason? Yeah, she was probably just wanting to throw in a little partying or something those days cuz she just didn't have enough to do, and was trying to round out a light schedule. My bad.
    Just more hyperbole.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Your interpretation would be laughable, if it wasn't so sadly arrogant.
    Wrong.

    If I had been the Judge, I would also have given her a chance the first time.

    And that is what you seem to want to ignore. She had her chance and wasted it.

    And then you want to make a big deal that she got a very lenient 24 hours, to think about her actions in not obeying the courts order.
    And unlike Lohan, Miss Tran most likely will be better for it.

    This crybaby attitude that many people have now-a-days is ridiculous.

    She had her chance, and screwed the pooch. Now it is time for the consequences.
    She is lucky to get off so lightly, and that is most likey because of her astounding record.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    And your attempt to establish credibility is convenient and literally unbelievable.
    LMFAO
    I care not if you believe me.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    She wasn't behind in her work. She simply wasn't making it to school, actually attending classes. If she is learning the stuff, and from what is given about her grades, she is, then she is doing her job as far as school is concerned. We have kids sitting in classes, learning nothing or struggling to learn all the time and you think we should put a girl in jail for actually working hard to ensure she is keeping up with her work because she has to work to take care of herself. This is only teaching the girl that common sense is not very common at all, particularly when applied to the law and that hard work will get you into trouble because people don't have that common sense to know what school is for, learning, not being a butt in the classroom.
    Answer me this question. Would ANY employer keep her on with such an attendence and tardiness record?

    And we have no idea what her grades were like. It doesn't mention them. But regardless of what her grades were/are that doesn't excuse anything. She had been previously warned about missing school, she ignored that warning. She had the chance to reduce her workload. She did not do so. She's the one that chose to take on as much as she did.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    When in a position of authority where you decision carries a record that follows a person through their lifetime there is a greater responsibility to look at all options and not rest with what you think you know, but, look to the actual facts of the case and weigh all the options to the applicable facts.
    Apparently that is how it worked the first time around.


    "Houston defense attorney Ned Barnett on Tuesday called the ruling "outrageous" and said "a little discretion should have been used" in the teenager's case."
    Why do you think this persons opinion matters?
    As far as I am concerned it is much like many of the opinions here; A knee-jerk reaction.
    Not realizing that the girl had already been given a chance, and deserving of punishment for failing to obey the courts order.
    And an over reaction to a mere 24 hours.

    "Houston Councilman Al Hoang said what he worries about most is Tran's record. "I’m going to ask the judge to expunge the record,"
    Which goes right back to what I thought the judge may be likely to do.


    Hoang told FoxNews.com. "The truancy laws should be applied case by case and in this case, it should not be applied. I believe Judge Moriarty should have used his discretionary power to excuse her from this matter."
    Well Mr. Hoang is a little lost on the facts it seems.
    Apparently the Judge used that discretionary power the first time. and she failed to follow the courts order.


    And as thorough as you are, I doubt you missed this, but from the link you provided.

    E. Tay Bond, a well-known Houston defense attorney, said the judge likely had no discretion to avert a jail sentence.

    "There's no legal exception that I’m aware of that if you're an honors student, you’re allowed to exceed a maximum number of unexcused days under the Texas Compulsory Education Laws," Bond told FoxNews*com. "Twenty-four hours would be about the minimum period of confinement to make a point.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Apparently that is how it worked the first time around.


    "Houston defense attorney Ned Barnett on Tuesday called the ruling "outrageous" and said "a little discretion should have been used" in the teenager's case."
    Why do you think this persons opinion matters?
    As far as I am concerned it is much like many of the opinions here; A knee-jerk reaction.
    Not realizing that the girl had already been given a chance, and deserving of punishment for failing to obey the courts order.
    And an over reaction to a mere 24 hours.

    "Houston Councilman Al Hoang said what he worries about most is Tran's record. "I’m going to ask the judge to expunge the record,"
    Which goes right back to what I thought the judge may be likely to do.


    Hoang told FoxNews.com. "The truancy laws should be applied case by case and in this case, it should not be applied. I believe Judge Moriarty should have used his discretionary power to excuse her from this matter."
    Well Mr. Hoang is a little lost on the facts it seems.
    Apparently the Judge used that discretionary power the first time. and she failed to follow the courts order.

    You are assuming facts that have not been presented. The judge, the school system and her parents failed Ms. Tran. Ms. Tran has overcome a great deal and I have no doubt she will this time as well. She should have been referred for assistance the first time, but, was not.


    And as thorough as you are, I doubt you missed this, but from the link you provided.

    E. Tay Bond, a well-known Houston defense attorney, said the judge likely had no discretion to avert a jail sentence.

    "There's no legal exception that I’m aware of that if you're an honors student, you’re allowed to exceed a maximum number of unexcused days under the Texas Compulsory Education Laws," Bond told FoxNews*com. "Twenty-four hours would be about the minimum period of confinement to make a point.
    I addressed this previously in post 14. Your "authority" cites that the law does not excuse "honors students" and he is correct, but, that is not the issue whatsoever. The issue is whether Ms. Tran's absences could have been excused by the judge using his discretion and the answer is yes.

    For your convenience I will repost the relevant part of the statute. Also note that the above authority you rely upon has no idea what the hell he is talking about and is a legal malpractice case waiting to happen.

    Texas Family Code - Section 51.03. Delinquent Conduct; Conduct Indicating A Need For Supervision
    (d) It is an affirmative defense to an allegation of conduct
    under Subsection (b)(2) that one or more of the absences required to
    be proven under that subsection have been excused by a school
    official or by the court or that one or more of the absences were
    involuntary, but only if there is an insufficient number of
    unexcused or voluntary absences remaining to constitute conduct
    under Subsection (b)(2). The burden is on the respondent to show by
    a preponderance of the evidence that the absence has been or should
    be excused or that the absence was involuntary. A decision by the
    court to excuse an absence
    for purposes of this subsection does not
    affect the ability of the school district to determine whether to
    excuse the absence for another purpose

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    It is unfortuanate she has to juggle with a broken home, school, survival, take care of her siblings etc. Judge could have been compassionate but the law takes its course if the judge is not flexible.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I addressed this previously in post 14. Your "authority" cites that the law does not excuse "honors students" and he is correct, but, that is not the issue whatsoever. The issue is whether Ms. Tran's absences could have been excused by the judge using his discretion and the answer is yes.
    What you don't seem to be getting is that he had already used his discretionary powers and had already gave her a warning previously. This was not the first time that Ms. Tran had been in front of the judge for truancy. This was the second time. If Ms. Tran did not heed the first warning why would she have heeded a second warning?
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Who says going to jail for a night won't be a positive influence on the girl? It may teach her to 1: Take a warning from a judge to heart. 2: not to take so much on that it screws up your life. It is better that she learn this now than years later when she's responsible for her own kids (if she has some).

    Besides if she gets away with breaking the rules just because she sheds some tears then she will never stop breaking the rules as she will never learn that there are consequences to every action she takes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What you don't seem to be getting is that he had already used his discretionary powers and had already gave her a warning previously. This was not the first time that Ms. Tran had been in front of the judge for truancy. This was the second time. If Ms. Tran did not heed the first warning why would she have heeded a second warning?

    The judge was lazy in the execution of his duties, the school administration was negligent. Ms. Tran stood before the judge who was apprised of the facts and therefore he was a mandated reporter. The school was aware of the family situation and did not report this.

    "Mandatory Reporting for.... Professionals

    A professional who has cause to believe that a child has been abused or neglected is required by law to report the abuse or neglect within 48 hours of becoming aware of the incident. The professional cannot delegate to or rely on another person to make the report.

    For the purposes of reporting, other professionals are defined as persons who are:

    · licensed or certified by the state;

    OR

    · employed by a facility licensed, certified, or operated by the state;

    AND

    · in the normal course of official duties or duties for which a license or certification is required, have direct contact with children.

    The term professional includes:

    · teachers;

    · nurses;

    · doctors;

    · day-care employees;

    · employees of a clinic or health care facility that provides reproductive services;

    · juvenile probation officers; and

    · juvenile detention or correctional officers.


    Further, “Texas law says anyone who thinks a child, or person 65 years or older, or an adult with disabilities is being abused, neglected, or exploited must report it to DFPS. A person who reports abuse in good faith is immune from civil or criminal liability. DFPS keeps the name of the person making the report confidential. Anyone who does not report suspected abuse can be held liable for a misdemeanor or felony. Time frames for investigating reports are based on severity of allegations. Reporting suspected child abuse makes it possible for a family to get help.”



    The facts. The parents left the minor child as follows:

    SUBTITLE E. PROTECTION OF THE CHILD
    CHAPTER 261. INVESTIGATION OF REPORT OF CHILD ABUSE OR NEGLECT
    SUBCHAPTER A. GENERAL PROVISIONS
    (4) "Neglect" includes:
    “(iii) the failure to provide a child with food, clothing, or shelter necessary to sustain the life or health of the child, excluding failure caused primarily by financial inability unless relief services had been offered and refused;”

    DFPS - Report Abuse or Neglect

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