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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This situation is not black and white.
    Yeah, it pretty much is.


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    Initially the judge should have referred the student to child services or other like agency/office as he is a mandatory reporter. He knew or should have know the facts and circumstance in this matter.
    You are assuming he didn't on both counts.


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    He essentially set up the student to take a fall, to be absent once again.
    Bs! If anything, she set herself up.


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    The judge abused his discretion and shirked his responsibility the first time Ms. Tran appeared before him.
    You have no evidence to support such a conclusion.


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    The judge is the fact finder and has the responsibility to act within his appointed responsibilities.
    Apparently he did.


    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Ms. Tran was abandoned by both parents and supported herself and family to the point of exhaustion while pursuing her academic studies.
    We do not know if that is true.


    The absences can be deemed "involuntary" pursuant to statute,[/QUOTE]
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    The burden is on the respondent to show by
    a preponderance of the evidence that the absence has been or should
    be excused or that the absence was involuntary.
    Full day absences because she is tired? BS!
    The school and the Judge were correct.


    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    As such the student should be referred for evaluation and assistance.
    How do you know she initially wasn't?

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    Point is the judge has discretion in this matter.
    And he obviously exercised it. Just not to your liking.


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    His ruling is punitive based on the facts presented.
    Of course it is punitive, as it should be. She failed to follow the previous ruling.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Under Texas Law* it was mandatory to file a complaint against this student.(see also post 4)

    "Texas Education Code 25.0951 states that:
    If a student fails to attend school without excuse on ten or more days or parts of days within a six-month period in the same school year, the District shall within ten school days of the student’s tenth absence:

    File a complaint against the student or the student’s parent or both in a county, justice, or municipal court for an offense under Education Code 25.093 or 25.094, as appropriate, or refer the student to a juvenile court in a county with a population of less than 100,000;"
    What's next? Someone doesn't eat their required 22g of fiber so they get jail time? Granted, the Judge was following the inane laws he's required to. Sounds to me as if the parents need to start getting involved locally and push for the "stupid" to be removed as a law there. Insanity....
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    If the facts are as were represented than the 17 year old should be given a CPS case worker and should have social services offered. A 17 year old is not supposed to be responsible for the parents dysfunction. She needs help...not jail.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Regardless of how the legalities are distributed; all in all - what point does the jail time serve? She's missing school *and* work to go to jail for a while. How is that teaching a lesson to her or anyone?

    Just like suspension from school for behavior, etc - that's not teaching the student anything other than if they're bad enough at school they won't have to go anymore
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yeah, it pretty much is.


    You are assuming he didn't on both counts.



    Bs! If anything, she set herself up.


    You have no evidence to support such a conclusion.



    Apparently he did.


    We do not know if that is true.


    The absences can be deemed "involuntary" pursuant to statute,




    How do you know she initially wasn't?


    And he obviously exercised it. Just not to your liking.


    Of course it is punitive, as it should be. She failed to follow the previous ruling.
    I have explained my position to you and the now judge seems to agree.

    The judge has applied a one size fits all approach to this situation, the judge was again apprised of the facts after he ruled and he is now reconsidering this situation and his ruling as he has a certain latitude within his discretion .
    Last edited by Connery; 05-29-12 at 12:27 PM.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Was he talking about the conviction or the sentence? How do you know he ignored the circumstances? Maybe the true circumstances aren't quite as they've been presented in the press. Maybe there are factors he had to consider that haven't been reported. The simple fact is that we don't know.

    But the information we have is hugely limited - a few paragraphs in a couple of news article. Certainly enough to ask further questions but not enough to lynch the judge.
    Did I suggest anything about lynching the judge or even firing him? No. I said his judgment on this case, given the facts we do have, was wrong. If it comes out there are further facts, fine, I can change my position. But as of what I know right now, this judge's decision was wrong.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I will bet you if there is a connection it is tenuous at best.


    The Judge was right.
    She was a truant.
    She had no legitimate reason to miss whole days of school.

    The girl should have listened the first time she was told.
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So the district did what they were supposed to do.

    She was previously told not to miss but continued.
    She is at fault.
    She has no legitimate excuse for missing full days of school.

    She is a truant.
    Are you serious, or just playing Devil's Advocate?

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Regardless of how the legalities are distributed; all in all - what point does the jail time serve? She's missing school *and* work to go to jail for a while. How is that teaching a lesson to her or anyone?

    Just like suspension from school for behavior, etc - that's not teaching the student anything other than if they're bad enough at school they won't have to go anymore
    Yes that would be teaching her a lesson. And it is very lenient.

    But you are right.
    24 hours in jail is meaningless to someone who snubs the Courts order to begin with.
    It is nothing to someone who is skipping school for no legitimate reason.

    She had no legitimate reason to skip full days of school. None.
    She is a truant and was already given a chance to straighten up and fly right.
    She choose to disregard the chance she was given.
    She is at fault.



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    Are you serious, or just playing Devil's Advocate?
    Yes.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    once they reach age 16, give them a senior level test, if they pass, let them graduate right then....
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    I don't feel sorry for the girl at all. She stated her curriculum which was extensive, she stated that she worked two jobs. Clearly this girl has taken on more than she can chew. The judge had previously given her just a warning and she failed to reduce what she herself had taken on. Highschool students do get to choose their curriculum and everyone can choose how much they work. Since she failed to heed the warning and skipped school again then she is at fault. And it is imo a good thing for her to learn this now than later in life. Later in life no employer is going to accept so many absenses and late arrivals. She would get fired. Which could potentially end up making her, and her family if she has one, living on the streets.

    If this makes me an idiot and a hard ass then so be it. No one ever said that life was fair.

    Also in case your thinking that this thing would be on her permanent record and as such shouldn't happen...well...it wouldn't. As she is a minor then there are avenues available to her that would wipe her record clean when she turned 18. Especially since this would be the first thing on her record.
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