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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So what justice would there be if this girl got away with truancy just because she is an honor student and works two jobs? Why shouldn't that other guy that isn't an honor student and doesn't work two jobs get away with truancy?
    Who says he shouldn't "get away with it"? I oppose all truancy laws.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

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    Who says he shouldn't "get away with it"? I oppose all truancy laws.
    I definitely oppose truancy laws that put kids in jail. That is definitely counterproductive.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The judge did have a choice in this. It has been shown on this thread several times that he did have a choice.
    I just looked through this whole thread and didn't see anything that said that he had a choice.

    Also a top lawyer in Texas said that the Judge more than likely didn't have a choice. As shown in my link in post #96.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Who says he shouldn't "get away with it"? I oppose all truancy laws.
    I don't. My school district does nothing when kids miss school. They don't even call the parents. I see the effects of it all the time.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I definitely oppose truancy laws that put kids in jail. That is definitely counterproductive.
    First, according to Texas law Ms. Tran is not considered a kid. She is considered an adult. Even 18 year olds are subject to this truancy law.

    I seriously think that we need to get rid of this arbritary line of 18 is an adult, anything younger is a kid. A kid can be emancipated at 16 years old. Which gives them all the responsibilities and status of adulthood. What is the difference between an emancipated kid adult that is 16 years old vs a 17 year old that is not emancipated? And no, I am not putting this forward as a law question but a moral question.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school - Yahoo! News

    Does anybody support and condone the judge's actions and words????


    Or, do you find him to be the biggest prick you've heard in a long time????
    Possibly not The biggest prick, but certainly extremely high on the list. For ****'s sake, since when is missing school a crime?

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I just looked through this whole thread and didn't see anything that said that he had a choice.

    Also a top lawyer in Texas said that the Judge more than likely didn't have a choice. As shown in my link in post #96.
    And I believe it was Connor in several other posts that showed you the law said that her absences could be deemed excused by the judge. It was within his discretion to do so.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And I believe it was Connor in several other posts that showed you the law said that her absences could be deemed excused by the judge. It was within his discretion to do so.
    Are you refering to this...?

    Texas Family Code - Section 51.03. Delinquent Conduct; Conduct Indicating A Need For Supervision
    (d) It is an affirmative defense to an allegation of conduct
    under Subsection (b)(2) that one or more of the absences required to
    be proven under that subsection have been excused by a school
    official or by the court or that one or more of the absences were
    involuntary, but only if there is an insufficient number of
    unexcused or voluntary absences remaining to constitute conduct
    under Subsection (b)(2). The burden is on the respondent to show by
    a preponderance of the evidence that the absence has been or should
    be excused or that the absence was involuntary. A decision by the
    court to excuse an absence for purposes of this subsection does not
    affect the ability of the school district to determine whether to
    excuse the absence for another purpose
    If so then you are incorrect. It is the respondents (ie the students) burden to prove to the judge that the absences should be excused. Or they can prove that the absences were involuntary. Something which is obviously not the case here. If they do not do either of these then there is no reason for the judge to excuse those absences. It is not his responsibility according to this to assess why the student missed those days.

    Now despite this the judge obviously did give her a chance by giving her a warning the first time around. Why should he give her a another chance if she ignored that warning? Yes, yes I know....he "shouldn't have given her a warning in the first place". Why? The onus was upon her to prove why her absenses should be excused. If she did not prove that then why shouldn't he?
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Are you refering to this...?

    If so then you are incorrect. It is the respondents (ie the students) burden to prove to the judge that the absences should be excused. Or they can prove that the absences were involuntary. Something which is obviously not the case here. If they do not do either of these then there is no reason for the judge to excuse those absences. It is not his responsibility according to this to assess why the student missed those days.

    Now despite this the judge obviously did give her a chance by giving her a warning the first time around. Why should he give her a another chance if she ignored that warning? Yes, yes I know....he "shouldn't have given her a warning in the first place". Why? The onus was upon her to prove why her absenses should be excused. If she did not prove that then why shouldn't he?
    Because it is his job to find out the facts of the case. Did he bother to ask her why she was missing school? It certainly doesn't sound like it since he said himself he didn't know about her circumstances.

    I'm willing to bet he even refused to allow her to explain herself too. It wasn't until he realized the media taking on her case was going to make him look like a douche did he bother to take any interest in why she was missing school. He was more concerned about being a "letter of the law" judge.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because it is his job to find out the facts of the case. Did he bother to ask her why she was missing school? It certainly doesn't sound like it since he said himself he didn't know about her circumstances.

    I'm willing to bet he even refused to allow her to explain herself too. It wasn't until he realized the media taking on her case was going to make him look like a douche did he bother to take any interest in why she was missing school. He was more concerned about being a "letter of the law" judge.
    So many assumptions here. How do you know he didn't ask? How do you know she answered with anything other than "I don't know" or some other answer that didn't explain anything? You and others keep saying that she was doing all this in order to take care of her siblings. How do you know she didn't answer honestly because she was afraid that CPS might step in? God knows there's enough stories out there of CPS taking kids away from parents and kids being split up because the parents weren't around. You know only her side of the story (tears and all) and the little bit that the reporter got out of him. You don't know any of the context. Yet you are quite willing to condemn the guy just because he followed the law.

    If you don't like the law then change it. Condemning someone for following that law as it is written is hardly the right thing to do in itself.
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