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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You act as if she is doing this all by herself. As if she is fully taking care of her siblings and everything else. She is not. She is living with relatives. The video in the OP does say that.
    She is working hard to help herself and her siblings, even if there is other help available now. Some families require more help. She is providing it and still successfully meeting the purpose of school, from what we know of her grades, learning the material.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    She is working hard to help herself and her siblings, even if there is other help available now. Some families require more help. She is providing it and still successfully meeting the purpose of school, from what we know of her grades, learning the material.
    But we don't know if the family she is living with requires extra help or not. She may very well be doing all this to try and be more independent.

    But ultimately that is irrelavent. And so is her grades and that she works 2 jobs. She broke Texas's truancy laws. More than once. She also went against a warning that the judge had given previously. If the judge had let her go then he would have had to do the same with other truancy cases. The law is about more than just justice. It is also about equality.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because school is for learning, not for having a butt in a certain place. For many, it is necessary that they be in class because otherwise they wouldn't even try to learn. This girl can learn without being in the class most of the time. She has proven to be quite capable of proving she can handle the learning part of school without actually being there. And she works very hard to do it.

    That other guy is obviously not willing to work hard to fulfill the purpose of school, learning the stuff. That's why the other person should not get away with it. If they are willing to work hard to get those grades and actually show they can learn the stuff, they should also be allowed some leeway based on their circumstances.
    What you are advocating for here is that those that succeed better than others should get more privledges than those that don't succeed as much. Such privledges would obviously include the ability to ignore laws.

    Sorry but I'm going to have to decline. I wouldn't want to live in a society that treats people as second or third class citizens just because they may not be as smart as someone else.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What you are advocating for here is that those that succeed better than others should get more privledges than those that don't succeed as much. Such privledges would obviously include the ability to ignore laws.

    Sorry but I'm going to have to decline. I wouldn't want to live in a society that treats people as second or third class citizens just because they may not be as smart as someone else.
    All laws are about people's actions and reasons for doing what they do, including truancy laws. She had good reasons to not attend school, including obviously not actually needing to from what we have seen of her grades. The purpose of school is learning, not just being there. It is stupid to put someone in jail for not attending school when they are fulfilling the purpose of school. The judge absolutely had the ability to allow her to be excused from school for the reasons she was missing school. He was wrong to not accept those reasons.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But we don't know if the family she is living with requires extra help or not. She may very well be doing all this to try and be more independent.

    But ultimately that is irrelavent. And so is her grades and that she works 2 jobs. She broke Texas's truancy laws. More than once. She also went against a warning that the judge had given previously. If the judge had let her go then he would have had to do the same with other truancy cases. The law is about more than just justice. It is also about equality.
    He should have taken her reasons for missing school in to consideration before warning her the first time.

    And no, making judgments based on circumstances of each person's case does not require that everyone be treated the same or allowed to skirt a law just because one person's circumstances show that the law in question should not apply to them because their situation does not meet the intent of the law.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    He should have taken her reasons for missing school in to consideration before warning her the first time.
    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And no, making judgments based on circumstances of each person's case does not require that everyone be treated the same or allowed to skirt a law just because one person's circumstances show that the law in question should not apply to them because their situation does not meet the intent of the law.
    Taking ones circumstances into account does not mean that the judge can abridge the law. As shown in the following link there is no known ways that the judge can do so.

    Texas honor student jailed for truancy likely spent night with 'hard-core' criminals

    There's no legal exception that I’m aware of that if you're an honors student, you’re allowed to exceed a maximum number of unexcused days under the Texas Compulsory Education Laws," Bond told FoxNews.com. "Twenty-four hours would be about the minimum period of confinement to make a point.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    This article says the judge set aside the contempt charge......as he should

    Lanny Moriarty, the judge who ordered the 17-year-old to go to jail after more than ten unexcused school absences, has set aside the contempt of court order he entered last week, according to Tran's lawyer, Brian Wice.
    Diane Tran, Texas Honor Student Jailed For Missing School, Has Contempt Order Vacated


    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We can not allow judges to excuse the theft of food by the hungry, speeding on the highway due to an 'emergency' or the execution of "bad folks" that just plain needed killing. The law is the law and only a jury may 'nullify' it.
    Judges need to use discernment and apply justice with mercy.
    This girl shouldn't have been in jail at all. At least the contempt charge was set aside.


    I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.

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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by missypea View Post
    Judges need to use discernment and apply justice with mercy.
    This girl shouldn't have been in jail at all. At least the contempt charge was set aside.
    The judge had no choice in the matter.
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    Re: Honor student placed in jail for tardiness and truancy at school

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The judge had no choice in the matter.
    The judge did have a choice in this. It has been shown on this thread several times that he did have a choice.
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