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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are making the argument for more stimulus to the states, not less. But that works for me.
    I'm sure you would see it that way when in fact the stimulus only delayed the inevitable, state worker layoffs. And more stimuli would again only delay the inevitable. If I thought it would work I WOULD argue for it but each state has varying fiscal issues that they must address individually. Throwing more money at them will not solve them.

    IMO, the stimulus would have been MUCH more effective if 'dumped' into the economy at the bottom, ie taxpayers. This would have enabled folks to buy stuff paying sales taxes to finance state employees. Both win in this scenario but being the state portion was dumped in the economy midway down the government ladder it was inefficient in its use and predictable in its results.

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    First of all he is a RINO,Perhaps that is why is a Former Sen.Alan Simpson and not Sen.Alen Simpson.

    Second the federal government shouldn't get one more dime until it makes every cut it can. Giving more money to someone who has a spending problem only makes the problem worse. It doesn't solve the problem. Promising to cut only a dollar when you still are spending a 100 bucks over budget and wanting more money doesn't solve the problem. Make actual significant cuts and then talk tax increases.
    Everyones a rino to the teaparty...I dont pay attention to that label

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Everyones a rino to the teaparty...I dont pay attention to that label
    Just for curiosities sake who applies the ‘dino’ label?

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I'm sure you would see it that way when in fact the stimulus only delayed the inevitable, state worker layoffs. And more stimuli would again only delay the inevitable. If I thought it would work I WOULD argue for it but each state has varying fiscal issues that they must address individually. Throwing more money at them will not solve them.

    IMO, the stimulus would have been MUCH more effective if 'dumped' into the economy at the bottom, ie taxpayers. This would have enabled folks to buy stuff paying sales taxes to finance state employees. Both win in this scenario but being the state portion was dumped in the economy midway down the government ladder it was inefficient in its use and predictable in its results.
    Better to give a starving man nothing to tide him over during the worst hunger. That's some logic you've got going there.


    The largest part of the stimulus went to tax cuts for the working class.


    The GOP plans to decrease taxes not for the working class where they would stimulate the economy the most, they have proposed even bigger tax cuts for the wealthy while reducing benefits to the working class to pay for them. Thanks but no thanks!
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Better to give a starving man nothing to tide him over during the worst hunger. That's some logic you've got going there.
    So after you give this ‘starving man’ something to ‘tide him over’ what is he going to eat tomorrow? Appears lack of logic to me…


    The largest part of the stimulus went to tax cuts for the working class.
    $237b of $831b is ‘largest part’? Maybe next year in the second grade you will learn basic arithmetic.

    The GOP plans to decrease taxes not for the working class where they would stimulate the economy the most, they have proposed even bigger tax cuts for the wealthy while reducing benefits to the working class to pay for them. Thanks but no thanks!
    You moving out of the country? Good luck with that...

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why?

    what crisis are we approaching?

    interest on the debt is still below 7% of the federal budget. so where is the crisis?



    what I think is going on is that Conservatives HATE entitlements, whether we can afford them or not, and have manufactured this crisis to scare the American people.

    but this crisis..is a faux crisis.
    Are you saying our country is not trillions of dollars in debt with that number increasing every day and that this whole debt thing is a lie manufactured to scare people into wanting to cut entitlement programs?
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So after you give this ‘starving man’ something to ‘tide him over’ what is he going to eat tomorrow?

    The crops return when the drought is over.



    $237b of $831b is ‘largest part’?
    Yes, what other part got more?

    "$246,869,000,000 for individual tax cuts
    $6,150,000,000 for business incentives
    $3,540,000,000 for business
    $6,858,000,000 for other tax relief
    $19,968,000,000 renewable energy tax credits
    $95,136,000,000 aid to states and local governments
    $20,352,000,000 for health care
    $62,310,000,000 aid to people affected by economic downturn"

    The Stimulus Plan: The Tax Cuts - ProPublica
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    he's showing that he cares more about defeating Obama than the health & welfare of his country.
    The two purposes are not in conflict. In fact, defeating Obama, at this time, is crucial to the health & welfare of this country.
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are you saying our country is not trillions of dollars in debt with that number increasing every day and that this whole debt thing is a lie manufactured to scare people into wanting to cut entitlement programs?
    nope, that's not what I'm sayin'.

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The crops return when the drought is over.
    So since droughts by definition are extended periods, how will this ‘starving man’ last without another ‘tide him over’ meal?



    Yes, what other part got more?
    Ok, good point. Obviously, I must brush up on my comprehensive reading. I read ‘largest part’ as ‘majority of’ not ‘part of parts’. My mistake…carry on.

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