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    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Good point...but lets go back to how it used to work...Democrats want this...Republicans want that...they negotiate, threaten, walk out, walk back, negotiate some more.both sides have press conferences blaming the other side for stonewalling and being unreasonable..then a few democrats and few republicans get together behind closed doors...and make a deal..

    What we need to fix our country...is reasonable entitlement reform...and the "TEMPORARY" end of ALL tax loophole and deductions and TAX HAVENS for everyone across the board...until the deficit is GONE...then revisit taxs...that means middleclass get no deductions either...no mortgage deductions no kid deductions nada...just put in your income and pay your present rate...Corporations like GE pay 35% on the 14 billion they made...turtledude pays 35% on the 500,000 to the millions he says he makes...down the line...and watch how fast the deficit is gone and theres a surplus...id bet 5 yrs or less...because right now the rich and corps are paying peanuts compared to what they should be
    Agreed on how it used to work and IMO that's what we need to make it work again. However, that requires that we go back to the days where both sides wanted the best for the country and merely disagreed on how to do it; that requires statesmen like our founding fathers were. We don't have a lot of them any more. We have a surplus of greedy hogs who are raiding the public treasury to hand out favors to themselves and their political supporters while calling it "fairness" and renaming their profligate spending as "investment" in the manner described by Orwell as "Newspeak."

    Agreed that entitlement reform and the closing of loopholes is necessary, but it's going to be a fight to remove the entitlements that so many have come to expect as a "human right." The lefties have given us millions of people who truly believe that they have an inalienable right to a free college education, free health care, unlimited unemloyment insurance payments, etc. And like the man says, "If you think it's expensive now, just wait until it's free."

    The government, especially the federal government, is woefully incapable of delivering retail goods and services. If you really want to see where ObamaCare will take us, visit an Indian reservation. We need to get rid of Fannie and Freddie, the Departments of Energy and Education, and hundreds of federal "assistance" programs that do nothing for the nominal recipients and serve only to provide an income stream for the federal employees (and send them on expensive vacations, like GSA and the 8th Circus Court in San Francisco).

    The answer on the revenue side is not to tax "the rich" (meaning anyone who makes $1 more than you do), but rather to make everyone pay their fair share. That's going to be very unpleasant news for the 47% of the population which now pays no income tax at all. Personally, my first choice would be to go back to the tax structure of the Reagan era: federal revenue doubled over his 8 years, and it was wasted by Congress increasing spending by $1.65 for every new dollar that came in. Second choice would be to let ALL of the Bush tax cuts expire; those cuts made the tax code much too progressive because the most productive segment of society did not get their fair share of the cuts.

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) he's a RINO
    Romney is a RINO, but you're still in love with him.

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    The answer on the revenue side is not to tax "the rich" (meaning anyone who makes $1 more than you do), but rather to make everyone pay their fair share. That's going to be very unpleasant news for the 47% of the population which now pays no income tax at all. Personally, my first choice would be to go back to the tax structure of the Reagan era: federal revenue doubled over his 8 years, and it was wasted by Congress increasing spending by $1.65 for every new dollar that came in. Second choice would be to let ALL of the Bush tax cuts expire; those cuts made the tax code much too progressive because the most productive segment of society did not get their fair share of the cuts.


    The problem with that Diogenes is that the income disparity has become so much wider in the last 15 yrs...theres many more americans that cant pay more...people with no income for any reason cant pay taxs...illegal immigrants dont pay fed taxs...the underemployed cant pay taxs...and the working poor....the rich have a far bigger chunk of everything than they ever had...and please dont tell me its because they are so resourceful and successful...they just took it off the middleclass...by sending jobs to china and taking benefits and pensions and making full time jobs partime and stagnating their pay...all while they got fabulously richer and their TAXS were cut in half...theres an imbalance for sure

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The problem with that Diogenes is that the income disparity has become so much wider in the last 15 yrs...theres many more americans that cant pay more...people with no income for any reason cant pay taxs...illegal immigrants dont pay fed taxs...the underemployed cant pay taxs...and the working poor....the rich have a far bigger chunk of everything than they ever had...and please dont tell me its because they are so resourceful and successful...they just took it off the middleclass...by sending jobs to china and taking benefits and pensions and making full time jobs partime and stagnating their pay...all while they got fabulously richer and their TAXS were cut in half...theres an imbalance for sure
    Income disparity is a Good Thing. A free market society (to the extent we still have one) rewards contribution, which is why Bill Gates has more money than the crack addict sleeping under a park bench. To be sure, I don't always like what the free market considers a contribution: if I was in charge, Michael Jackson would have spent his career cleaning public toilets and Madonna would be changing sheets in a hotel somewhere. But I'm not in charge and I don't think I'm smarter than the collective wisdom of the market, which is what makes me different from the American Idle who riot at every G8 meeting.

    I know a number of folks who are worth more than a million dollars, but they are all self-made and they were all poor when they left home to join the work force and the world. None of them made their money by ripping off the middle class. They worked hard, saved and invested their money, and generally lived with the notion that the world did NOT owe them a living.

    That said, I also concede that I wasted my career. I should never have wasted time and money going to college. Right after high school, I should have hitchhiked to California and got on with the state as a billboard inspector. After 30 years of a nothing job, I could have retired 20 years ago with full medical coverage for life and now be barely getting by on a meager pension of $100,000 a year. Then I'd probably be on your side, complaining about poverty and demanding that the productive segment of society pay more so I could have my fair share.
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Let me know when entitlement reform is on the table.
    Let me know when budget descreases that take effect immediately are on the table for a department that isnt Defense.
    Let me know when foreign aid is on the table.

    Are Democrats willing to compromise on any of this?
    Then why should republicans be so willing to raise taxes to pay for liberal policies that are not negotiable?

    I can see where you are going lpast but the whole picture isnt there. "Budget cuts" get broken every single time. Change the baseline budget and we can start to talk. We havent even tried that...ever.

    Can we have spending cuts on the table before we start talking about raising taxes? Spending has been outpacing taxes since Eisenhower, maybe we ought to try to make some changes there first.

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Income disparity is a Good Thing. A free market society (to the extent we still have one) rewards contribution, which is why Bill Gates has more money than the crack addict sleeping under a park bench. To be sure, I don't always like what the free market considers a contribution: if I was in charge, Michael Jackson would have spent his career cleaning public toilets and Madonna would be changing sheets in a hotel somewhere. But I'm not in charge and I don't think I'm smarter than the collective wisdom of the market, which is what makes me different from the American Idle who riot at every G8 meeting.

    I know a number of folks who are worth more than a million dollars, but they are all self-made and they were all poor when they left home to join the work force and the world. None of them made their money by ripping off the middle class. They worked hard, saved and invested their money, and generally lived with the notion that the world did NOT owe them a living.

    That said, I also concede that I wasted my career. I should never have wasted time and money going to college. Right after high school, I should have hitchhiked to California and got on with the state as a billboard inspector. After 30 years of a nothing job, I could have retired 20 years ago with full medical coverage for life and now be barely getting by on a meager pension of $100,000 a year. Then I'd probably be on your side, complaining about poverty and demanding that the productive segment of society pay more so I could have my fair share.
    I think you have me pegged wrong...I made alot more money in business and real estate than I did at my career

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    RINO is the new scarlet letter, too many people put way too much stock into such a silly label and use it as a way to arrogantly dismiss the "ideologically impure." But yes I agree spending must be cut as well, with an increase in taxes to pay down the debt. And forget about what happened to Bush Sr, are we going to hold grudges that long?

    the dems went back on their promises to cut spending and they castigated Bush as a "liar" or a weakling

    anyone who forgets that history is an idiot

    and when Reagan raised some taxes, the dems went back on their part of the bargain as well

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Romney is a RINO, but you're still in love with him.
    He's the best alternative to Obama and on most of the issues that matter to me he is plenty conservative

    crap like abortion, gay marriage and school prayer are all diversions and would better off not being part of the presidential election set of issues

    You support Obama so you can whine in 2016 about the GOP needing to pick some social fascist

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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Let me know when entitlement reform is on the table.
    Let me know when budget descreases that take effect immediately are on the table for a department that isnt Defense.
    Let me know when foreign aid is on the table.

    Are Democrats willing to compromise on any of this?
    Then why should republicans be so willing to raise taxes to pay for liberal policies that are not negotiable?

    I can see where you are going lpast but the whole picture isnt there. "Budget cuts" get broken every single time. Change the baseline budget and we can start to talk. We havent even tried that...ever.

    Can we have spending cuts on the table before we start talking about raising taxes? Spending has been outpacing taxes since Eisenhower, maybe we ought to try to make some changes there first.
    The problem is historic, spending cuts never happen, closing the border never happens. Show me real cuts before asking for higher taxes, close the border before you ask for a comprehensive plan to deal with those illegals that are here now.
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    Re: Alan Simpson Slams Fellow Republicans For Unwillingness To Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Let me know when entitlement reform is on the table.
    Let me know when budget descreases that take effect immediately are on the table for a department that isnt Defense.
    Let me know when foreign aid is on the table.

    Are Democrats willing to compromise on any of this?
    You pretend to offer compromise but it is a fraud disguised as a sham in the Halloween costume of deceit.

    You ask about cutting the budget but then start out exempting Defense - on of the biggest of them all.

    You want entitlement reform but I bet you would squeal like a pig if a Democrat said - okay lets compromise by not letting anybody with an income over 250K collect Social Security or Medicare benefits.
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